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Livestock => Poultry & Waterfowl => Topic started by: Rosemary on December 07, 2016, 04:35:28 pm

Title: Avian Flu
Post by: Rosemary on December 07, 2016, 04:35:28 pm
A link to a general document on poultry biosecurity and how to minimisethe risk of infection on your premises.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0049/00492296.pdf (http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0049/00492296.pdf)
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on December 08, 2016, 01:57:31 pm
Yea I heard about this on the news the other day. Thanks for that [member=13]Rosemary[/member]  I will take a look immediately!
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: GillB on December 10, 2016, 02:01:30 pm
Hi - Im seeking advice re avian flu - we have 7 assorted ducks and 4 pekins hens that roam freely on our retreat land and stream. They have an idyllic life. Have I now got to lock them in their run, and cover it over with mesh to keep all wild birds out?
Thanks - I live in north mid Wales
Gill
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: angie on December 10, 2016, 02:22:25 pm
Hi have a look at the bird flu topic, lot of information and advice,few links on it to
 :wave:
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: in the hills on December 10, 2016, 03:16:41 pm
Hi GillB, we are in MidWales. 

Spoke to our vet this morning. Yes, poultry must be separated from wild birds.

She said that from this weekend the general public were being asked by DEFRA to notify them of anyone not following the prevention measures. She wasn't sure what the consequences would be if you didn't comply.

Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Eve on December 10, 2016, 05:39:08 pm
Consequences of non-compliance: penalty of up to £5,000 and up to 3 months imprisonment per offence. It's on the Defra website.

The Defra order is very clear about what needs doing and that it applies to the whole of Great Britain. Yes, it sucks. Yes, the birds are miffed. But it has to be done in order for our birds to stand a better chance of more years of the idyllic life.

We all knew this was going to happen at some point and in a way, we're lucky: it's winter and at least our birds are asleep half of the time now. I'd have to buy many more cabagges in summer to keep them occupied in their runs :)  Just imagine having to lock them in throughout a summer...And hopefully this winter the foxes, not having access to poultry etc, will make a bigger dent in the rat population. I'm a glass half full kind of person... ;)

Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Rosemary on December 10, 2016, 05:51:38 pm
She said that from this weekend the general public were being asked by DEFRA to notify them of anyone not following the prevention measures. She wasn't sure what the consequences would be if you didn't comply.

Oh that'll be great. Good move from Defra.  ::)
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: bloomer on December 10, 2016, 06:21:12 pm
She said that from this weekend the general public were being asked by DEFRA to notify them of anyone not following the prevention measures. She wasn't sure what the consequences would be if you didn't comply.

Oh that'll be great. Good move from Defra.  ::)

With my lovely neighbours that will be delightful...
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: in the hills on December 10, 2016, 06:27:22 pm
Mmmmm, they said that it was in an email that they received late yesterday.

Mine are in runs and under cover but I know that others locally aren't.

Will have to see what happens.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: northfifeduckling on December 10, 2016, 07:44:23 pm
Hi GillB, we are in MidWales. 

Spoke to our vet this morning. Yes, poultry must be separated from wild birds.

She said that from this weekend the general public were being asked by DEFRA to notify them of anyone not following the prevention measures. She wasn't sure what the consequences would be if you didn't comply.


Sometimes it isn't that easy to follow instructions from one day to the next....we had to wait for the tarp to arrive for 3 days and have been working on an enclosure since. Our place is not set up for this as they've always been free ranging.....days are pretty short to get anything done and no help. Good OH is DIY minded at least....
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on December 10, 2016, 11:02:32 pm
Hang on does this mean all birds in including my 6? :/ would defra come after me? Me having only 6 chickens and no waterfowl? Please tell me! My heart is racing and thats not like me! Mine are kept in runs until fencing can be sorted anyway, do I have to cover  over the runs?
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Hevxxx99 on December 10, 2016, 11:13:26 pm
 :bouquet:

Yes it includes you, or rather your 6. Cover the top of the runs and be sure feed and water are somewhere wild birds can't poop in it and you'll be fine.  Just a sheet of clear plastic will suffice.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: lord flynn on December 11, 2016, 08:17:56 am
Hang on does this mean all birds in including my 6? :/ would defra come after me? Me having only 6 chickens and no waterfowl? Please tell me! My heart is racing and thats not like me! Mine are kept in runs until fencing can be sorted anyway, do I have to cover  over the runs?


why would you be any different from  the rest of us? cover them up.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: in the hills on December 11, 2016, 09:49:13 am
Yes, WBF. Applies to all poultry keepers, even if you only keep a few.

Not sure how much action DEFRA would take at the moment. I have read £5000 fine is possible.

If they are already in runs can you cover in some way. It's to stop bird poo falling into the run. Also wire on run should be small enough not to let wild birds enter.

We still have some work to do on one of our runs. Try not to worry about it. Everyone is in the same situation. Just make a start.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Marches Farmer on December 11, 2016, 09:53:56 am
Unfortunately disease isn't selective as to whether it's hitting a 50,000 bird broiler unit or 6 free-ranging pet Orpingtons.  In the French duck farm outbreak 40% of the birds died from H5N8, then the other 3000 were culled, so it's highly pathogenic.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on December 11, 2016, 03:59:58 pm
Yes, WBF. Applies to all poultry keepers, even if you only keep a few.

Not sure how much action DEFRA would take at the moment. I have read £5000 fine is possible.

If they are already in runs can you cover in some way. It's to stop bird poo falling into the run. Also wire on run should be small enough not to let wild birds enter.

We still have some work to do on one of our runs. Try not to worry about it. Everyone is in the same situation. Just make a start.
yes I could cover the top part of the run and leave the sides open? :) The mesh is fine but still lets wild bird poop through.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Eve on December 11, 2016, 04:31:16 pm
WBF, what exactly do you mean - how open is open?
Do you have any fruit netting, greenhouse shading, landscape fabric, tarpaulins (might need to add tent pegs, we did anyway), sheets of plastic...? Do you have any outbuildings?


Yes, the fine is up to £5,000, btw, and up to 3 months in prison, and that's per offence. It's on Defra's website.


I do hope we don't get an outbreak, we live somewhere with loads of tresspassers who completely ignore the 'private - no public right of way' signs and are annoying enough as it is.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on December 11, 2016, 04:42:17 pm
WBF, what exactly do you mean - how open is open?
Do you have any fruit netting, greenhouse shading, landscape fabric, tarpaulins (might need to add tent pegs, we did anyway), sheets of plastic...? Do you have any outbuildings?


Yes, the fine is up to £5,000, btw, and up to 3 months in prison, and that's per offence. It's on Defra's website.


I do hope we don't get an outbreak, we live somewhere with loads of tresspassers who completely ignore the 'private - no public right of way' signs and are annoying enough as it is.
All the outbuildings are in use atm. The runs are enclosed. they are long runs with mesh al;l around so nothing can get in or out through the mesh. I was thinking of covering the top part of the runs with plastic and leaving the sides alone, as although it will be keeping bird excrement out it won't be blocking them from sunlight which they need
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Hevxxx99 on December 11, 2016, 05:10:09 pm
That sounds perfect
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Eve on December 11, 2016, 05:19:33 pm
Yes, WBF, that does sound like exactly the right thing.  :thumbsup:



Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Penninehillbilly on December 11, 2016, 06:21:32 pm
Would it be possible to cover with plastic, then the fine mesh? That would stop the wind shredding the plastic?
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: Creagan on December 11, 2016, 08:38:28 pm
Have just ordered a big roll of scaffold/windbreak netting. Amazon were fairly cheap but obviously it will take a few days to arrive. I've moved the hens in with the ducks in preparation, they are getting on fine which is a relief.
Title: Re: Avian Flu
Post by: mentalmilly on December 11, 2016, 10:45:56 pm
It makes sense to cover runs to prevent wild birds from infecting your flock but, how long are we to do this and when the all clear is announced, would the land still be a source of infection when the birds are let out to free range again?  anyone know?