The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: Womble on July 01, 2015, 01:01:42 pm
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Once upon a time, there was a stripy Dutch sheep. He was very lonely all on his own, so his owner gave him a stripy French hen to keep him company, and they all lived happily ever after.
Is there a consensus on whether this is:
A) A Zwartbles tup and a Marans hen
B) A Zwartble tup and a Marans hen
C) Utterly unimportant, and further evidence that Womble needs to see a psychiatrist.
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As zwart means black and bles means blaze both singular and plural are zwartbles.
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As Buttermilk says :thumbsup:
Always thought it was Maran hen, though... so I've learned something! (They're not stripey though - more speckley, I'd have said?)
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The poultry breed is named after the town of Marans in France, where it originated.
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(They're not stripey though - more speckley, I'd have said?)
(http://www.ruleworks.co.uk/poultry/images/perth2007/chicken9.jpg)
I've seen both, but I'd say this lady is more stripey than speckley? :)
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The poultry breed is named after the town of Marans in France, where it originated.
So I discovered when googling! :D
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(They're not stripey though - more speckley, I'd have said?)
I've seen both, but I'd say this lady is more stripey than speckley? :)
Well, she is, and if that's what a Marans should look like, then I'd say the Marans I thought I'd had were in fact Speckledys! lol
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The Zwartbles thing bugs me too - but how do folk pronounce it? It should be Shvart-bless or Svart-bless I believe, not zwartabulls. BUT, as this is a newish breed to Britain, we can pronounce it how we want, and anglicise it til we're comfortable. After all, the French say 'Londres' when they mean London........
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We went to buy some recently from an older lady who was downsizing. She had kept them for years, and just called them "Schwarz" (pronouned Schwarts of course). Her phrasing was also interesting in that she said things like 'You have to feed the Schwarts or they lose too much weight', or 'Schwarts lambs grow quickly'.
It made me think that she might have picked this up from Dutch breeders she possibly bought her originals from?
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Round here the t gets dropped all together and its zwarbles. The most variation I've come across is for lleyns. Of course it should be the welsh double ll followed by een. Fave round here is clin but I've also hear lane , cleen, thin, theen and Lin. Less confusion with our Wiltshire horn
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Well, if Lleyns are named after the Lleyn / Ll^yn peninsula, they would be pronounced the same as the place (http://www.forvo.com/word/llyn/), right? i.e. Khlinn.
The only person I know who keeps them pronounces it "Cleen", so when I first met her I thought she was telling me her sheep weren't dirty! :innocent:
Edit: Just spoke to a friend studied Dutch at Uni. She says "Een zwartbles ooi and Twee zwartbles ooien", which is also the consensus opinion so far! :thumbsup:
Oh, and Devonlad, surely it's Zwaaaarbles in your neck of the woods? ;D
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zwaaaaaarbles it is ;D
reminds me of a Devon farmer who is out walking his land one evening and sees a smartly dressed man crouching down by a stream, about to take a drink
" ERE, ee dun wanna be doin at- tis full o arse piss and cow s**t" says the farmer
"I'm terribly sorry but I've just moved down from London and bought that lovely cottage in the village which I plan to develop," replies the man "you'll need to speak much slower, I've yet to get to grips with the lingo"
"Oh I'm sorry, if-you-use-two-hands-you-won't-spill-any" replied the farmer helpfully
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I like that, devonlad ;D
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Trying to put the pronunciation of LL and found this.
Put your tongue in the position as if to say H and L similtaneously . Breathe out gently over that. It's a crackly hard sound.
add een on the end :)
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OK, Mrs Womble just came through to ask if I was choking....... ::)
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My tongue cant do that :eyelashes:
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Being new to sheep and all there is to learn, I have found pronouncing the name of my Zwartbles one of the most challenging tests so far! The breeder calls them 'Shwarbles', the vet calls them 'Zwartbulls', the shearer calls them 'Zwarbles'and a neighbouring farmer calls them 'Zwerballs'! Each one laughs at me if I accidentally call them by what the other person calls them. So I have given up and just call them 'The Zeds'!
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Yep, the zeds for me too! :thumbsup:
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I just tried it too - it works, but I'm glad I'm alone!
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I know quite a few people with Zeds! Luing cattle cause a similar problem, so much so the breed society newsletter was renamed "The Silent U".
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I know quite a few people with Zeds! Luing cattle cause a similar problem, so much so the breed society newsletter was renamed "The Silent U".
Now that just propagates the confusion about Ling cattle, 'Ling' sheep... ;D
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Whatever you call them they are the best sheep : jealous
Well buy your own !!
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113337009/zwartbles-and-zwartbles-cross-lambs-for-sale.html (http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113337009/zwartbles-and-zwartbles-cross-lambs-for-sale.html)
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There are some nice looking ones in there Zwartbles - are they your own, or is that just a random weblink?
We have another couple arriving on Friday - One T-Reg old dear and her C-reg ewe lamb from this year. Here's a pic of my favourite Zwartbles ewe (see what I did there? ;) ). She's gorgeous!
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/Blutack/14.jpg)
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All our own work!
1st show coming soon. Waylands at watton, Norfolk August2nd.
Come and see us.
;D
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She's a beauty , I'm also very taken with your neat system :)