The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: funkyfish on November 02, 2011, 06:08:38 pm
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Hi!
We have about 1.5 acres of too much grass! Our field was not topped or cut for hay, so waay too much grass for us. We have chickens in a 50m electric fenced area, and will have a fenced in veggie patch in the spring.
Would love a couple sheep - if native/rare then that would be fab!
Our paddock is part of a friends large field we rent. Field has holding number (she has sheep/goats etc) so just need flock number etc.
My problem is finding sheep this time of year. Store lambs would be great- would love to breed from 1 and have 1 for the freezer. Have looked at local rarebreed places but a bit pricey (worth it for the breeds I know, just short of cash at the mo). Have kept sheep before and my friend is a vet so good home waiting.
Any ideas where to look for some? Local sales are for lots of sheep not just a couple!
oops meant to say we are in Devon!
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Hi, i can think of a couple of places. If you have some sheep experience you could try a site called preloved. It will show you livestock for sale local to you. Otherwise you could try the society website for the breed of sheep you like. They normally have the contact details of breeders near you. Even if they have nothing for sale they are usually very friendly and have lots of great advice. Good luck, im a beginner too! :wave:
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Whereabouts in Devon are you? My neighbour has some Jacobs and other breeds.
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try farmingads.co.uk some livestock markets have singles or just a couple of sheep in a lot i know ours does.
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Thanks guys for quick replies!!!
We are out side of Honiton, nr Luppitt. I Love Jacobs!
One side of paddock is 4 strand electric fencing, is this ok for them? Used to work at Farway Countryside park when I was as kid. They had some there -they were always escaping! Used to roll over the cattle grids!
Loving the forum!
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i am a few miles from Luppit near Churchinford if you need any help.....let me know....i know of a shetland ewe available and can probably come up with another locally too.
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Hi wollyval! I know Churchingford, not too far!
My friend has Shetlands, they are lovely. Need to crack on with flock number then!
Thanks for your help!
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You're hooked, funkyfish (no pun intended)!
Two sheep will make little inroads on 1.5 acres - so you'll have to get more. Yep, that's you hooked.
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I need more to control the grass? Oh no how awfull! I will have to get a couple of shetlands and use my friends ram..... Oh well what a shame! :)
Have been out all day sorting the fencing- the hedge is a bit patchy...
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Hi :wave:
I have two Dorset x ewes for sale which are possibly in lamb! We are near Salisbury though so maybe too far.
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It's not the land that has the holding number, It's your friend, the holding is linked to the person not the place.
So that is the first thing to get sorted.
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tizaala are you sure that is right. ?
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The holding number goes with the land NOT the occupier as bigchicken thought, sorry tizaala you are wrong in your statement :wave:
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the holding number goes with the land the flock number goes with the owner of the animals :farmer:
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Just to make matters even more confusing - sometimes it doesn't. I have my own holding numbers for me grazing land belonging to others who have their own holding numbers....
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it is not the easiest system to get round the only sure way is ask the officials then you can come back and say with authority what is required :farmer:
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A: Customer Land Links represent the relationship between an agricultural holding and the location of fields within England. These numbers are know as County Parish Holding numbers (CPH).
2. Why are you changing my CPH?
A: We are not just changing the CPH, we are correcting your CPH numbers and linking them to the correct land.
3. Why do you need to link my land to a CPH when I use my SBI?
A: The RLR is used by many other departments within the Defra family, such as the Forestry Commission, Natural England and Animal Health. They will benefit from this updated information as they do not always use SBIs
4. What are the benefits of a CPH update to me?
A: This will benefit you, if you actually farm the land, as the land will be linked to your own CPH and not to another farmers CPH. The land links will make sure your SPS application form is pre-populated correctly, reducing the risk of penalties being applied if you do not declare all your eligible land. We will also be able to provide you with accurate maps.
Page published: 15 March 2011
We rent our acreage and house in the middle of a 300 acre estate , and when we first started with goats our landlord said we could use his holding number, which we did for the movement form, when we handed it in the next day they told us that the cph was wrong and we must apply for our own, we then aplied for our flock number from animal health and explained the situation, only to be told that we needed our own cph number because it is linked to the person not only for traceability but for movement and standstill requirements, so our landlord can move his sheep and cattle without affecting me, and vice verse,
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Your mistake, everybodypeeps, is in thinking there is a simple and/or straightforward and/or consistent answer. :D
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what works with owning land doesn't work with renting land :P :farmer:
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I rent land which has a CPH number but I also have a CPH number which is not connected to any land and which is my individual number and I have been told that when moving sheep I have to use the CPH of the land involved was told that I must or I would get a visit. clear as mud.
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Your holding number links a person to that piece of land and covers a person for a 5 mile radius of the registered post code.
If you are moving them onto a friend's land or vice versa then they are officially moving and a aml1 is needed.
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Ah...but if the land belongs to a third party, but they have never used it, never intend to and don't have a holding no and you use it on an agreement/rental basis then you can put it down as under your holding number and just put moved to OS ref off lying field in your docs.(so long as its within the 5 mile radius!)
I found this out a while back when asking what to put in my records! With an AML1 you have to have a holding of departure and a holding of arrival!
It really is as clear as a muddy puddle at times and written by those who assume smallholders with odd and diverse bits of everyone elses land that they graze don't exist ::)
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The point is that civil servants invent these systems. And civil servants' brains are not the same as the rest of us. To them, these systems are logical :D ROFL
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The point is that civil servants invent these systems. And civil servants' brains are not the same as the rest of us. To them, these systems are logical :D ROFL
And now your mistake is in believing that the civil servants understand the rules or apply them consistently. Don't get me started!!!!! :D
We have hijacked funkyfish's thread on buying sheep. Sorry, funkyfish. There really is more to buying and owning sheep than ranting about rules and regs. Although it can sometimes seem that way.