The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Livestock => Camelids => Topic started by: Bionic on April 30, 2012, 08:32:27 am
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At Wonderwool Wales yesterday I was very taken with the alpacas. It seems that they would do the job I wanted sheep for (lawn mowers), yet be more sensible and pet like. I would have the added bonus of their lovely fleece.
I know they are a lot more expensive than sheep. I was quoted between £300-£500 for a male and £1500 - £2000 for a female so don't want to make a costly mistake.
Anyone got any advice for me?
thanks
Sally
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ummm make sure as sure as you can be that the owner is trying to ensure they dont have/get TB....they are very susceptible, dont show up accurately on the stats as they are classed differently as not in theory put into the food chain....and you can catch it.
http://farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=67156 (http://farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=67156)
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Thanks for sharing that link with me. I don't yet have a specific seller in mind but if I do decide to go ahead you can be sure I will be asking the prospective sellers about their TB vaccination.
Sally
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prob is there isnt an effective vaccine yet and the BTB test used for cattle is much less effective in alpacas, yet they are v susceptible for the disease.
bear in mind farmers are quite cross about the free movement of camelids into BTB free areas from areas where it is rife so make absolutely sure they cant come into nose to nose contact with any other BTB affected livestock, yours or a neighbours.
sorry to be gloomy but defra do really need to get a grip on this issue and also allowing 'rescued' badgers from BTB areas to be released wherever the charity fancies including currently clear areas :-(
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We are surrounded by sheep. No cattle anywhere near us so I assume I will be ok?
Sally
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Sheep can catch it. However unlike alpacas they are less of a reservoir of infection, so tend to get infected /reinfected by a species that does do so, like badgers (or maybe in theory) alpacas.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-diseases/a-z/bovine-tb/animal-keepers/other-species/ (http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-diseases/a-z/bovine-tb/animal-keepers/other-species/)
But certainly a cattle free area will make it a lot easier to have the alpacas without scowls from neighbours :-) certainly if you ensure the alpacas cant touch the sheep that should minimise any risks (and of course cattle are worth a lot more individually than sheep so its a bit less emotive).
Sheep are easier and cheaper lawnmowers I would say, esp as you can eat the spare ones :-)) I dont know of anyone having alpacas primarily for lawnmowing, only for sheep herd guarding against foxes, for fleece or as pets.
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Also a big consideration (and I say this from keeping alpacas) is that in my opinion they need shelter from wet weather. They can cope brilliantly with dry freezing cold weather but not our extended wet periods. Their fleeces do not contain lanolin and are not waterproof.
That said, if you have appropriate accommodation or shelters they are wonderful, gentle animals. Bringing them in at night gets them used to you and slowly they will build confidence and allow handling etc..
Personally, overall we have found sheep easier to care for correctly.
Good luck
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Alpaca's will cope quite well in wet weather if they have a field shelter. I have two and if the weather is really wet they will shelter under trees.
I think mine are great. They will guard sheep and can be tamed quite easily. They are shorn once a year when they also have their toenails trimmed and teeth cut if need be and any other drugs they might need at that time. Not much else is needed to look after them but it is far better if you can make them as tame as possible so if they need attention you can handle them.
There is a chap near Tregaron who breeds them. If you are interested I can PM of his details. :)
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Kaz,
I am definitely interested in the Tregaron breeder. Please PM me his details
thanks
Sally
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If you want to find out the truth regarding BV TB and camelids take a look at the alpaca tb support group's website.
Not only will you realise that you will be taking a risk buying an alpaca from anywhere in the country you may also put yourself and your family at risk from getting the disease.
Dianne Summers who runs the group is my immediate neighbour and is now facing at least 9 months of treatment to try and rid herself of the disease.
It doesn't matter whether you are in an area with no cattle alpacas can harbour the disease for many years, show no symptoms and can pass the disease to wildlife in the area.
Believe me BV TB can infect any mammal from cats, sheep, deer goats, camelids and as I know to my cost pigs.
Defra - despite quotes to the contrary in the media- are doing nothing to sort out the rules regarding non bovines and at the very least this should involve compulsory movement licences for alpacas.
Farnmers Guardian are reporting the slaughtering of at least 500 alpaca's in East Susses- a TB free area - during April and are now trying to track all past movements- so it will have spread all over the country by now. But at least the farm will receive compensation of at least £750 per animal - not so for pig and sheep farmers - breaks EU rules re TB compensation but hey ho we only feed the population so who cares about us !! ;
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Primrosepig,
thankyou for the resonse. I never knew there was such an issue although had read about Dianne Summers after i was sent the link. Yours and lachlanandmarcus have definitely made me think twice.
Sally
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Please don't do it! The cheaper animals often have awfully bad fleece....and I speak from lots of experience ::)
The price is dropping fast and many just cannot sell their animals and what with the TB problems aptly put above....just don't would be my advice :-\
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At Wonderwool Wales yesterday I was very taken with the alpacas. It seems that they would do the job I wanted sheep for (lawn mowers), yet be more sensible and pet like. I would have the added bonus of their lovely fleece.
Given that you seem to be getting a lot of disencouragement on the alpaca front, I just thought I'd mention that sheep can be very tame, even affectionate, if treated appropriately. :)
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Thats very true. Our neighbours Herdwick used to go sledging with the children in the snow ! and came into the kitchen for elevenses.
My fave tamest ewe, Coco always comes to greet me and after I was in hospital recently, the first time I went to see her for about 3 weeks she was very affectionate and stayed by my side for ages, nudging me to scratch her head and chin whenever I stopped :-))))
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Yes Bionic, I would imagine some breeds of sheep could be really ... pet like .... if that is what you want.
Even our Soay girls are friendly. Some of them jump up like dogs and love to touch noses with you. They hardly saw anyone before we had them and have changed so much. ;D
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I was really keen on the alpacas but it looks like a bad move. So once we get the piggie settled in I will look round for some friendly sheep.
Thanks everyone
Sally
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Sheep are in my opinion, much more fun :love:
Some of mine will come and lie down next to me if I snooze in the field, they don't have a dung patch, they don't spit and should you end up with one of less than trustworthy character you can eat it or sell it easily ;D
If you do get alpacas do yourself a favour and buy quality, halter trained animals. No point buying someone elses problems ;)
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Thanks Colliewoman.
I was thinking of buying a couple that have good fleece and are halter trained and therefore prepared to pay more for them. However, I have no intention of taking the risk of introducing TB so I think sheep it will be.
Sally
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remember rule 1
sheep taste good!!!
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yum yum ;D
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Our shetland sheep are nicely bucket trained and have fantastic fleeces which come in many colours. Being a small breed easily handled.
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Please don't do it! The cheaper animals often have awfully bad fleece....and I speak from lots of experience ::)
The price is dropping fast and many just cannot sell their animals and what with the TB problems aptly put above....just don't would be my advice :-\
So has the Alpaca bubble burst then?
Re sheep vs Alpacas - you can buy a hell of a lot of sheep for about a grand...
Most sheep if coming from a small flock will already be bucket trained, my Shetlands are really friendly, don't escape and have wonderful fleece. If you don't need to run your holding with the aim of making a living from it, a mixed coloured flock (and different breeds) would give you a lot of fleece to play with, you can eat them and if you live in :sheep:country your neighbours will be able to help and advise...
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Anke,
I am not sure that the bubble has burst exactly. I would still like them but won't be buying any.
My grass is nearly knee high in places so will need to get it cut before I think about sheep though.
Sally
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My grass is nearly knee high in places so will need to get it cut before I think about sheep though.
Sally
That's your winter fodder sorted then ;)