The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Smallholding => Land Management => Topic started by: juliem on December 20, 2016, 10:12:42 pm
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Does anyone know on this forum what happens when land changes hands..does the compensation by National Grid for pylons.telegraph poles transfer to the new owner?
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Yes it does
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Yes. We gain the princely sum of £8 or so pa. it comes with land!6
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There's compensation for electricity poles on land??
*looks at telegraph poles on 6-acre field*
I suppose it goes to the Scottish Ministers for a croft tenancy...?
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Yes, it's called a wayleaves payment. You just need to contact the local electricity transport company to let them know you are the new occupant. Your local electricity transport company will be the one that you would phone if you had a power outage (in my case it's Western Power Distribution, in Wales) Then you will receive a cheque once a year (usually before xmas - I got mine at end of Nov I think) .... if the name hasn't been transferred then it is likely that a letter would arrive at your house for the previous occupant with a cheque in their name (unless they have their mail redirected).
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There is also a few companies going around offering you a one-off cash payment for the wayleaves. They contact the electricity board or whoever, and they take 20% of the payout. Apparently there's nothing stopping you doing this yourself by just ringing up the electricity board and asking them for a one-off instead of annual payment. it's thousands of pounds per pole according to the flyer.
Our neighbour is just trying this now - direct with Western Power - so we'll see how he gets on.
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Well done for raising this topic.
I wasn't aware of that and we've never received anything for the pole in our veg garden so time to look into that (could do with a contributiion towards the cost of keeping the hens under cover ;D)!
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My father gave me a deed of gift of 8 acres of land some 5 years ago.He always told me that the wayleave payments did not transfer with new ownership.Mind you he also believed the land was not mine to after the 7 years has elapsed.Consequently I never got round to claiming them...worth about £60 a year.
He's recently passed away (he was 96) so another thing on the "to do list."
Wondering what proof they need..deeds?
They are only poles so what can you get for a pylon?
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I get £26 for two x two-poles. Wow. :)
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We got our poles swopped into our name. How could they not change with new owners? The chap we bought the land from had died. They don't do back payments without an argument. We have two and one has the switch for shutting down a section in the village should they need to and we get around £25pa. I would think the payments are pretty standard.
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Yes rang wayleaves and they just want me to write a letter...asked if it could go directly into bank acc but tney said tney prefer to send a cheque in tne post....less open to fraud apparently
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Love wayleave - we get more in rental than what our services cost at the end ;)
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did take me three years of writing to western power (although the cheques come from openreach) to get the name changed on the cheques from the previous owner to me
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Possibly a daft question but does anyone know if the same applies to BT poles?
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No, I'm told you don't.
William
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In England up till 1995 When I worked at BT there were all manner of way leaves .
They were trying to get it so that for a one off payment of around £ 87 the rental was ended & they had automatic right of access under the wireless & Telegraphy act of 1921 to supply , repair or do adaptations at the pole
It got interesting when a pole owned by BT was paying a wayleave and the electricity board had a joint user agreement so that they could run a power cable off the same pole and vice versa.
I can't remember what the situation was if you had the wayleave rental & the council added a street light off the pole , Though in the back of my mind at the time think that a payment was also available from the council .
Googling , " Electricity supply pole wayleaves " or " Telegraph services pole wayleaves " , should give you a point of contact
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Thanks you both (and belated Happy New Year!). I only asked because we have one electricity pole sandwiched between out fruit cage and veg plot plus two BT poles on our front boundary - a few extra pennies would not go amiss!
I'll have to investigate - now on the 2017 2Do list :excited:
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A lot of folk see a pole at the road side of the property & assume it is on their land .. a lot of the time the actual land it is planted in is the " Ransom strip " & that land belongs to the county or local council .
Another thing , as to who owns the pole or if it is way-leaved does not or didn't use to show on the property title deeds .
Mike a farmer local to me was rubbing his hands in glee at the several dozen or so power poles & same number of telegraph poles that were on his land when at harvest time after I mentioned I was helping check way -leaved poles & explained what they were .
We ( twenty or so farmers & families) had a good chuckle when at the annual fireworks party he'd had a few too many of the home brews & let it slip to all in earshot that he didn't have any monies arriving for them as they'd been purchased out several years before he brought the farm off his " F'ing Dad " .
His Dad's face was one of pure innocence & had the biggest smile you could ever wish for .
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Having come across a couple of threads on here about wayleaves I decided to investigate my own.
I sent the electricity company an email (they have a specific email address for this) and let them know what we had (2 poles), giving the numbers and locations on the poles, and asking if we would get any compensation.
The sent back a map and asked me to mark our boundaries.
This morning we had a personal visit from their rep. Having taken a look she can see that one pole is for our use only and you don't get any comp for that but the other pole goes on to serve our neighbours.
She is going to draw up an agreement for us.
I don't suppose it will be much money but better in my pocket than theirs and the process was really simple.
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I hate my chat with the estates person at our southwest power yesterday. He said that these dodgy companies offering big payouts are essentially pursuing a line about detrimental effects to house prices. So, if like us, you have poles in hedgerows away from the house, then the payout is small. We have 5 or 6 poles on our land, some are 3 wire high voltage, some single wire... loads of stays... 15 year lease would be about 800 quid. Apparently the 15 yeah lease is actually only 10 or 11 annual payments lumped together, and a 25 year lease is only 14 annual payments.
The estates chap also advised us that we loose any right re-siting, or redirection of lines/poles for the duration of the lease.
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We have 3 on our land, often wondered about this.
Do I contact NPOWER or is there a different company deals with poles ?
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We have 3 on our land, often wondered about this.
Do I contact NPOWER or is there a different company deals with poles ?
it's the regional infrastructure company, rather than the provider - so here in Devon I had to contact Western Power. I guess they are the companies that formed in the regions we the old electricity board was broken up.
as described by someone else - you just ring them up and say you want to know options around wayleave amounts and lease periods (15 year and 25 year), and they will send you a map on which to draw the outline of your land.
you will only get decent payouts for long term leases (as I understand it), if a) the poles are quite near your house and therefore might affect the value, or b) no one has been claiming the wayleaves for years, so back-payments are due.
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Be prepared for about a 3 year wait for changeover as they like to think people forget.
We only have about 9 poles and about 300m of buried stuff and its pays my BT bill
Amazing - they pay you to brng you your own connection :)
One day they might even install this thing called 'broadband' on my computer and I can have more than 4 9kw showers in my toilet block before the line catches fire :)
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Wayleave update. ..
Western Power rep visited on Tuesday and today I received their agreement in the post. One pole £14.50 per annum but they are going to backdate to when we moved in in Feb 2012.
I'm happy :-)
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Wayleave update. ..
Western Power rep visited on Tuesday and today I received their agreement in the post. One pole £14.50 per annum but they are going to backdate to when we moved in in Feb 2012.
I'm happy :-)
I believe £30 per pole is the agri rate. £14.50 is the residential rate.
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Pah I have two two-poles and only get £26 :(.
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On a side note - am I supposed to have a document that says what width access western power need, and what distances I have to keep fences or buildings away from the poles etc? I didn't get anything from them when I informed them that I was the new occupier, other than the cheque.
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Na - i put bird tables on mine and let them climb round it when they come to service the pole :)
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Sorry to open an old thread but ... I just found that they publish the wayleaves rates, so you can look them up and check that you are getting the right amount:
http://www.energynetworks.org/info/faqs/who-is-my-wayleaves-contact.html (http://www.energynetworks.org/info/faqs/who-is-my-wayleaves-contact.html)
Click on your region's link for the rates table.
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A 2018 new year resolution .... claim!
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Thanks Foobar, going to try for this, I we have 6 here!
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I claimed. It was very easy to do
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Also very easy to get National Grid to fence round poles with strainers .I had ponies in a field once and whenever they rubbed against the strainers the pole vibrated. Seeing it was an important pole that supplied a lot of Telford they were out in a flash to put a very professional fence round it.
Of course now I have sheep they just graze underneath it....fence looks very professional though.