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RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
.Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« on: September 21, 2012, 12:46:26 pm »
For any that wish to have a say on the subject of hanging .
 This thread won't be closed by me , even if everyone disagrees with me , whether they be leftwing or right !
I , like most people , have views . I am prepared to make my views known and defend them , fight my corner as it were .
I fully accept that others will differ in view and outlook , and although i may defend my view firmly , that is part of debate , i will always at least listen to others points even if i disagree with them .
On the subject of hanging , i will not change my view , even if i were outnumbered 1000 to 1 , but , i would defend the right of all the 1000 to have their view and their say , if they so wish .

Mad Goatwoman of Madeley

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2012, 07:51:40 pm »
Well, you're not likely to be outnumbered 1000 to 1 because there are a number of us on here who don't think hanging should be brought back.

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
.Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 08:21:54 pm »
Thats right Lesley .
 It can be a very emotive subject , but one that is unlikely to be changed anytime soon , thankfully .
Funny thing , as i type this , one of the questions on Any Questions is should the death penalty be brought back .
One of the answers stated that as long as we are in the EU , we cannot have it , as the eu forbids any member to have the death penalty !

Mad Goatwoman of Madeley

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 08:28:14 pm »
So there is some good in belonging to the EU.

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
.Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2012, 08:47:45 pm »
Well it definitely proves who we are actually  'ruled' by !
The name of the last to be hung in the former uk should be Freedom !

Moleskins

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • England
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 10:49:33 pm »
The problem is this, we ( the public ) are largely in favour of capital punishment. However, the politicians are tied due to Europe and whichever party brought it back would themselves be hung, drawn and quartered on the day it went wrong.


In the meantime we have 'justice' in that some who kill are released after (say) 7 yrs whilst other high profile prisoners are not.


I'm not in favour of one category of killer being punished more severely than another. i.e. Killing a policeman is different to killing me. Then again how do you deal with a wife who kills her abusive husband or a husband who kills his terminally I'll wife?


Not a very easy one to unravel, the public may be happy with dumping certain criminals on a remote island and leaving them to get on with it. This would satisfy the desire for 'punishment' in that it wouldn't be an easy life, it wouldn't cost us a lot etc.

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RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
.Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 11:36:53 pm »
Ooooo that don't work , the buggers survive and come back , Australia !
Devils Island was another one .

MAK

  • Joined Nov 2011
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Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 08:10:03 am »
Rusty - can we assume ( as the above posts are not clear) that you would like a return to the death penalty for murder? Any other crimes?

What about the freedom to kill a neighbour or burgular for stealling your spuds?

 Recently in France a chap shot and killed his neighbour ( described in the paper as a known thief and heavy drinker)  for stealling his truffles. He was not charged !!! Justice?
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SteveHants

  • Joined Aug 2011
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 09:00:26 am »
I don't think Rusty would like to see a return to the death penalty - its quite clear on the other thread.


I was about to post when I realised it had been closed - hadn't realised that you could close your own thread, actually.


Like most people, I am not in favour of a return to the death penalty either.


Its a shame that the tragic murders of two policewomen are jumped on as porpaganda for the "hang 'em, flog 'em" brigade.


I do find the notion that people who are not in favour of state sponsored murder are somehow 'ultra-left' mildly amusing to say the least. As I recall the far left has a fondness for tanks...and gulags.... :P

tizaala

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 10:20:23 am »
Just to make it clear why I closed the other thread, 175 views, but only 17 votes, The thread died of appathy, so 158 viewers couldn't care less either way . I suspect the same applies to politics.

Moleskins

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • England
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 10:24:42 am »
I read the other thread with great interest but didn't vote, because I know it's pointless voting.
I might have gone back, having read the debate and voted at a later stage.
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Castle Farm

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Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 11:05:33 am »
I suppose it's a case of if someone murdered some family member or close friend I'd look for revenge.

The pain that people must feel everyday waking up and again living the hell of a loved one being killed by another person would take some handleling. Even more so when a few years later the killer is back out on the streets living a life.

If you see on the news reports of murder that is just another senseless killing, that and daily pictures of maimed and killed people in a far off land you get used to it.

The killer of the two girls and two others besides should swing.
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in the hills

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 11:43:49 am »
Tizaala - I think personally that you are wrong to assume that non-voters "couldn't care less". It is in my opinion a very difficult subject and not easy for some to decide upon the right answer. I have read with interest but not voted. I can see the point in arguments coming from both sides.  ???  Not voted in my case for the very reason that  .... I do care very much.

feldar

  • Joined Apr 2011
  • lymington hampshire
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 11:59:15 am »
I do care too but don't always get involoved in the most emotive threads so i will now;
I'm not sure about capital punishment and i know that sounds daft but it's like this, if one of my family was being hurt i would have no qualms about shooting the b***er, but i'm not sure i could flick the switch on the chair or give a lethal injection in cold blood looking that person straight in the eye.
It's easy to make a decision and walk away and let someone else do the dirty deed but if i were on the jury i would have to actually vote to condem that person then there's always the risk of, what if they were innocent, i would have to live with that too. I know that sounds cowardly but i'm just not sure i could do it. A prison term if sensible, is punishment if life, actually means life.
I don't agree with all the perks they have in prison, and some of the terms given out are laughable.

in the hills

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: .Debate continued (freedom of speech)
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 12:36:07 pm »
Feldar - agree with what you say.  :thumbsup:  It is so difficult and if you think of what victims families must go through and think about your own loved ones .... do the culprits deserve to live? But then, if the verdict were by some chance wrong.  :o  You have also committed an awful crime in wrongly taking a life.


I would like to see convicted murderers having no access to the outside world, media, etc. And expected to do some form of work to earn their keep.

 

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