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SouthWestTom

  • Joined Mar 2017
    • The Seasonal Table
Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« on: March 22, 2017, 03:02:37 pm »
Hi All,

I am hoping that someone on here might be able to help. I’m trying to find some Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in the UK. I’ve searched extensively online (and seen a few old threads on here), but cannot find any within the UK. I know we have ‘Pygmy’ goats here which have some Nigerian Dwarf in them, but my understanding is that these are not really suitable and haven’t been bred for dairy & milking.

The reason we’re after Nigerian Dwarf Goats specifically (rather than say, Golden Guernsey’s, which we’ve also considered) is that they sound like an ideal fit for us. They apparently don’t need loads of space (we have a small paddock of about 0.35acres), are efficient converters of feed to milk (we have limited finances available to buy in lots of feed), their milk is rich in butterfat (so ideal for cheese making!), and they’re relatively hardy with few birthing problems (whereas I understand some Pygmy goats have to now have C-sections). Based on what we’ve read about the breed in America where they’re normally kept for dairy, they sound like a great smallholding livestock breed.

Any help locating some Nigerian Dwarf goats here in the UK would be massively appreciated!
« Last Edit: March 23, 2017, 08:58:38 pm by SouthWestTom »
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macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2017, 08:46:41 pm »
I was looking for them too. Saw some on preloved but I think they are just pygmies.
What if we cross let's say guernsey with a pygmy buck?
In the USA they have something called kinder goat which is cross between nubian and pygmy. Smallish dairy goat.
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Talana

  • Joined Mar 2014
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 09:25:34 pm »
As far as I know there is no nigerian dwarf goats in the UK, even though some claim there is, there is only pygmys which amalgamate the different types of dwarf goat originally imported,and their breeders main focus is breeding them for pets. But there could be strains of pygmy that are similar to these nigerian dwarf as some pygmys can be quite milky, its finding the right ones and breeding for milk rather than pets, if that's what you want or start a pygmy / dairy x. I would n't want to milk a pygmy unless  had to - very much finger and thumb job!

farmershort

  • Joined Nov 2010
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 09:27:15 pm »
Have you considered an 'old English ' goat?

Staceyluu

  • Joined Nov 2015
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2017, 11:14:16 am »
May have possibly found some (been looking for at least two years!) will let you know tomorrow after I have been to look. :)

Alex_

  • Joined Jul 2016
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 10:30:36 am »
Let us know how you get on Stacey.

I haven't got space for goats yet but I always thought N. Dwarf goats sounded ideal
 :goat:

Jaymac76

  • Joined Jun 2012
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 06:24:43 pm »
Hi Stacey, please let us all know if they are Nigerian goats as the suspense is killing us lol. I think with the amount of people looking for them it could be a possibility of getting together and splitting the costs of importing.

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 05:46:24 pm »
Advert on preloved

** Proud to be the only Nigerian Dwarf breeders in the UK to be recognised by the NIGERIAN DWARF GOAT ASSOCIATION.**
Have you always wanted a pet goat but felt you don't have the space? Our little Nigerian Dwarfs may be just what you have been looking for!
They don't need rolling acres or even a paddock, just a draught proof shelter and a securely fenced exercise area which most medium/large gardens can accommodate. OK, so they will need hay to supplement their grazing, a little food twice a day and fresh water always available but then they will repay you with many years of fun and affection.
You have probably seen lots of stocky little Pygmy goats at Farm Parks etc but we breed the much rarer (and we think prettier!) Nigerian Dwarfs which are a little taller than Pygmies , with longer necks, smaller heads and much more graceful lines altogether. Just like you would expect a
dairy goat to look but in miniature. When full grown our goats' backs are just about knee-high so think Labrador dog size and you won't be far wrong.
Rules and regulations regarding keeping goats are also minimal. Before you can bring your goats home you have to contact the Rural Payments Agency who will give you a CPH (County Parish Holding) number and a herd number . There is no charge for these and no-one comes to check on your premises. We have to note your CPH number on a Movement Order when you collect your babies and that's about it.
We are currently in the middle of our kidding season and we have some really stunning little kids around. If you would like to come and see you are very welcome and a £50 non-refundable deposit will reserve your babies until they are weaned. This is usually around 4 months but we let the mums decide when they have had enough. We like to do everything as naturally as possible to produce healthy, confident babies and relaxed, contented mums. You may have noticed I say "babies" and we never sell one kid at a time. Goats are herd animals and a solitary goat would be a very unhappy little creature. Also, we do not separate twins as they are strongly bonded all their lives.
At the moment we have boy/girl twins, pairs of boys, pairs of girls, triplets and a couple of singles but this will not last long as our kids are reserved very quickly so if you have strong preferences it's best to contact us ASAP. At this point may I make a strong plea for you to consider a pair of boys.They are all castrated before they leave home so no "stinky billy" smells and no pushy behaviour, just calm and loving without those hormonal swings which the girls sometimes suffer. In keeping with our "natural rearing" policy we also do not remove the horns from our kids. This is a procedure which has to be performed while the babies are just a few days old and it involves burning their horn buds off with a red hot iron. As you can imagine this has been known to cause brain damage, even death so we prefer to leave them in their natural beautiful state. Goats are generally very placid creatures and ours never use their horns aggressively. They are a playful affectionate breed and what could be nicer than sitting in the sunshine with a cup of coffee
surrounded by your cuddly little goats?
All our little boys are £175 each
and the girls are
£225 each
This includes ear-tagging as per DEFRA requirements, Vaccinating against a variety of clostridial diseases, tetanus etc, Worming and treatment for any external parasites.
We are now in our 23rd year of breeding goats and have been specialising in Nigerian Dwarfs for much of that time. The experience we have gained over these years is fully available to all of our owners at any time. We are at the end of the phone whatever questions you might have. We look for the very best homes for all our kids and so we only sell to lovely people!
You are very welcome to visit our babies anytime. Just let us
know when and I'll make sure the kettle is on!
P.S. We are right behind RAF Coningsby so why not make a day of it and visit the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight?







Link to add
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/116419265/nigerian-dwarfpygmy-goat-kids-perfect-pets-from-175.html?link=%2Fclassifieds%2Fhorses-livestock%2Fgoats%2Ffor-sale
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 05:51:37 pm by mart6 »

Anke

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • St Boswells, Scottish Borders
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2017, 10:40:55 am »
Nigerian dwarfs with toggles????

macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2017, 10:51:18 am »
I saw their advert long time ago, asked them to send me picture of the adults so I can see their conformation etc but they never responded me...
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SouthWestTom

  • Joined Mar 2017
    • The Seasonal Table
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2017, 09:22:40 am »
Hi All,
Apologies for the delay in responding - as is probably the case with most of you, it's crazy busy here at this time of year!

Thanks loads for your replies and for all the really useful info.

Macgro7: great idea regarding a GG X Pygmy. I wonder if anyone have any experience of a cross like this? if so, it would be great to hear about their experience. (I will have to have a more thorough search back through the forum).

Talana: we were thinking along the same lines of trying to locate a milky strain of Pygmy that are similar to the nigerian dwarf breed. Our only concern here is the amount of time/effort involved in embarking on a breeding programme like this. It sounds like it could be a great idea for a project for someone though, and it appears that there is definitely a market for this kind of breed in the UK.

Farmershort: we did look into an old English goat a while back and I can't remember the reason for deciding against it. I will have to look into the breed again as from a quick search, it does look good.

Staceyluu: Any update on your lead!? Were the goats you looked at N. Dwarf?

Jaymac76: Excellent idea regarding possibility of getting together and splitting the costs of importing - we'd definitely be keen on this, just wouldn't know where to start with all the paperwork/red tape!

mart6: Good find! Has anyone from the forum any experience with these breeders? Anke - am I correct in thinking that N.Dwarf goats don't normally have toggles?

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penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 10:59:30 am »
Looking at the American sites I've never seen any with toggles, they also look to be generally short haired, more like a reduced sized dairy goat than a pygmy.
I've heard crossing a saanen with a pygmy gives a small economical milker.

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 11:56:00 am »
If you do go the importing route
Let me know if you need help splitting costs, i would be interested .

penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2017, 12:48:55 pm »
I would think there would be a lot of red tape with importing, risk of disease etc, not sure about current situation but CAE was rife there.
I wonder about frozen semen or embryos?  I think frozen boer embryos were brought in. Not 100% sure though. 

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Nigerian Dwarf dairy Goats in UK
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2017, 02:11:11 pm »
I would think there would be a lot of red tape with importing, risk of disease etc, not sure about current situation but CAE was rife there.
I wonder about frozen semen or embryos?  I think frozen boer embryos were brought in. Not 100% sure though.

You are right re red tape and risk of disease

I am member of BBGS and friends have imported live does and bucks from overseas
Will see if i can get any info

 

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