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Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2015, 07:41:58 am »
I listened to a newly qualified vet once whinge that he was only paid £22K a year.

When I said that was actually pretty decent for a first job with no experience, he then said "Well, I guess I do also get my house, phone, bills, car and petrol paid for too".

Imagine! £20K a year just to spend on beer!  :celebrate:

 :stir:

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Me

  • Joined Feb 2014
  • Wild West
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2015, 08:36:20 am »
 :excited: they probably drive past the pub you are drinking in every night on the way to pull giant calves out for farmers who claim more than that in SFP!

verdifish

  • Joined Jan 2013
  • banffshire
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2015, 09:14:02 am »
I listened to a newly qualified vet once whinge that he was only paid £22K a year.

When I said that was actually pretty decent for a first job with no experience, he then said "Well, I guess I do also get my house, phone, bills, car and petrol paid for too".

Imagine! £20K a year just to spend on beer!  :celebrate:

 :stir:

I hope this was said tongue in cheek . Yes new grad vets do get paid that kind of money ! Some get more ! BUT
A veterinary Sci Er degree  is the most difficult degree course to get on and probably the most difficult to pass, vet students don't get any free time for the 5 years they are studying to get a part time job pulling pints or serving tables as most students do to earn a few quid pocket money ,when other students are enjoying their holidays vet students are away seeing practice ,on lambing / calving placements or just studying for the next exam ! Once qualified mist new grad vets will have on average £60 k's worth of student debts .their average working week will be 80 hours plus for the 1st few years which actually puts them on less than the min wage if you work it out on an hourly basis !

20K pocket money to spend on beer  For someone who has spent 5 years minimum who could have done any degree ,maybe the young kids who do a maths degree who end up working in the city on 80k plus bonuses a year earn the money harder  ???

lord flynn

  • Joined Mar 2012
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2015, 09:21:19 am »
I listened to a newly qualified vet once whinge that he was only paid £22K a year.

When I said that was actually pretty decent for a first job with no experience, he then said "Well, I guess I do also get my house, phone, bills, car and petrol paid for too".

Imagine! £20K a year just to spend on beer!  :celebrate:

 :stir:


considering the hours they work, the stress they are under in the first year or so, the amount of student debt they accrue-its a crap wage tbh. To get into something like equine many are going in as interns which pay even worse and work them even harder. I also heard some terrifying figures recently about how much to buy into a practice-it was enough for several, very talented vets I know to go into research-wages are a lot lower but working conditions and the volume of debt far reduced.

Loobylou

  • Joined May 2015
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2015, 09:31:23 am »
I think maybe in this climate that some should sit back and think that although they may have a 60k debt to pay back, that it is more of an investment for the future. Vets will always be needed as we will always need animals for food.

Me

  • Joined Feb 2014
  • Wild West
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2015, 09:33:08 am »
I don't know if it is still the case but it certainly was that as a Vet you were more likely to kill yourself than any other profession. It got so bad that character assessments have been in final year based on answers to multi choice tests which presumably will be referred to retrospectively as people top themselves in an effort to identify the most suicidal and keep them out in future (something to consider MF!). Maybe dentists have overtaken vets again I don't know..

edit: from what I have seen they are acting on this information already, with questions about coping strategies appearing in interviews etc (and people being coached already to give the "right" answers too!)
« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 09:36:53 am by Me »

verdifish

  • Joined Jan 2013
  • banffshire
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2015, 09:50:48 am »
I think maybe in this climate that some should sit back and think that although they may have a 60k debt to pay back, that it is more of an investment for the future. Vets will always be needed as we will always need animals for food.

Unfortunately we will also always needs bankers as well ,so it changes nothing !!!

pgkevet

  • Joined Jul 2011
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 10:06:31 am »
Part of the suicide statistic was due to easy access.. with the traditional method of drivng to a quiet location and swigging a mix if whiskey and euthatal - although anyone who's had and accidental backspray of the stuff (most of us) wonders how you could really enjot soemthign that bitter unless you add dry ginger ale to the mix.

I did a locum job for one failed suicide.. he'd gone the more cold-blooded route of hitcing himself to an iv line..but then set a slow drip rate so it was really a ;cry for help; than a determined intent and he was found before fatal levels. Hard-nosed chaps like me feel that's a tad pathetic - if you're goingto do the job then get it done!

As for new grad wages.. well it's obviously situation variable. Before I retired i was paying SA new grads around  a £25 package (4yrs ago) and they were interviewing me for places witout night duty etc and resented the fact we shift-worked to cover the open hours albeit they averaged a 40 hr week.

When i first quaified it was normal enough to do 8am to whenever evening surgery finished (no appt system so often 10pm) plus a 1:3 night rota and at least one night a week at the greyhound track 'til gone 11pm - and we loved it.

The local rural practice here is open weekdays 8am to 6.30pm plus obviously doing their out of hours stuff. My place in south london (shift worked) was 9am (admissions from 8.30)to 7.30 most weekdays with one 8pm, saturdays was 9-7 and sundays 10-4. Of course when i first bought my own shop and worked it solo it was simply 8am to whenever I finished (8pm-10pm most nights) and saturday til mid afternoon and on-call all the time. I once went over 2 mths without leaving the building (lived above) with my nurses getting my shopping and laundry - except for house calls. But then you do that to start any business You also keep a tight rein on personal expenses and reinvest all the spare into more and more 'toys' rather than kids wanting to 'have it large'.  Why we ended up almost the first to own ecg, then sophisticated labs, ultrasounds, dental gear, digital rads, endoscopy, extending the buldings etc etc. I was my wife that stopped my buying the MRI I wanted 'cos i was still pulling long hours even if the staff weren't. And age was creeping on.

You can make what you want out of any job by rolling up your sleeves, charging fair fees and being available and getting it done - and doing your best wth anything that comes through the door from a frog run over with a lawnmower to a stray wallaby or squirrel baby that fell down the chimney as well as the normal SA stuff.

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 10:56:53 am »
I blame our wonderful vet who let our daughter help by handing things to him at the midnight Caesarean to deliver twin lambs when she was 7 years old .....   

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2015, 03:12:22 pm »
Hard-nosed chaps like me feel that's a tad pathetic

Attitudes like that is why the poor so-and-so's can't talk to anyone and end up doing the things they do  :rant:
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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pgkevet

  • Joined Jul 2011
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2015, 04:07:45 pm »
If you have problems then go seek/ask for help.. don't do it by creating a load of drama and problems for everyone else along the way. I believe a lot of this is the fault of all the 'issues' dredged up in soaps and film making folk think that this is the way to behave instead of promoting rationality, self-confidence and self reliance.

I'm all for helping out those that need help but I'm against the contemporary attitude of reducing everything to the lowest common denominator with constant whining about unfair it all is and expecting a lifestyle delivered free on a plate.

Hitching yourself up to a slow drip rate is a pure lottery - neither a determined attempt at suicide nor even a determined cry for help..just playing percentages unless it's really diluted and slow in which case it's pure selfish play-acting.

Loobylou

  • Joined May 2015
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2015, 04:13:29 pm »
Surely the decision to be a vet is because of the love of animals and working with them, not that there will be a 60k debt. Some times money can't buy happiness!! Surely she is better to try and see if she likes it

Jukes Mum

  • Joined Apr 2014
  • North Yorkshire
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2015, 04:27:25 pm »
My niece wanted to be a LA vet. She came a stayed with me in January and worked full time at a local practice for two weeks. She's now decided not to be a LA vet.
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Thyme

  • Joined Apr 2013
  • Machynlleth, Powys
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2015, 05:01:39 pm »
Once upon a time long long ago I wanted to be a vet.  And then I worked for a vet (small animal practice) for six months or so, and decided I no longer wanted to.  Still love animals, but unfortunately they always came in with people attached :o
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pgkevet

  • Joined Jul 2011
Re: Info on Vet Schools Anyone?
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2015, 10:46:15 pm »
There's a lot of legitimate reasons to be a vet and love of animals isn't a prerequisite..although it was one of my main reasons. One of the best orthopaedic surgeons I ever knew was more fascinated by the techniques and function and skill than anything else. He did have a high ethical and moral approach to the animals but never had any pets of his own. Watching him operate was magic - blink and you'ld miss it.

You could legitimately be a histopathologist or forensic specialist and never touch a conscious animal. One can argue the morality of some LA work particularly with concerns about the care in abbatoirs and megadairies or mass chicken rearing or exports abroad. I'm sure the animal rights folk could supply horror stories.


 

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