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Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« on: July 01, 2015, 01:01:42 pm »
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Once upon a time, there was a stripy Dutch sheep. He was very lonely all on his own, so his owner gave him a stripy French hen to keep him company, and they all lived happily ever after.

Is there a consensus on whether this is:

A) A Zwartbles tup and a Marans hen
B) A Zwartble tup and a Marans hen
C) Utterly unimportant, and further evidence that Womble needs to see a psychiatrist.
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Buttermilk

  • Joined Jul 2014
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 01:25:04 pm »
As zwart means black and bles means blaze both singular and plural are zwartbles.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 01:53:31 pm »
As Buttermilk says  :thumbsup:

Always thought it was Maran hen, though... so I've learned something!  (They're not stripey though - more speckley, I'd have said?)
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Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 02:57:44 pm »
The poultry breed is named after the town of Marans in France, where it originated.

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 03:33:22 pm »
(They're not stripey though - more speckley, I'd have said?)



I've seen both, but I'd say this lady is more stripey than speckley?  :)
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
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Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 04:00:23 pm »
The poultry breed is named after the town of Marans in France, where it originated.

So I discovered when googling!  :D
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 04:01:55 pm »
(They're not stripey though - more speckley, I'd have said?)

I've seen both, but I'd say this lady is more stripey than speckley?  :)

Well, she is, and if that's what a Marans should look like, then I'd say the Marans I thought I'd had were in fact Speckledys!  lol
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 06:50:00 pm »
The Zwartbles thing bugs me too - but how do folk pronounce it?   It should be Shvart-bless or Svart-bless I believe, not zwartabulls.   BUT, as this is a newish breed to Britain, we can pronounce it how we want, and anglicise it til we're comfortable.   After all, the French say 'Londres' when they mean London........
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Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 07:16:17 pm »
We went to buy some recently from an older lady who was downsizing. She had kept them for years, and just called them "Schwarz" (pronouned Schwarts of course). Her phrasing was also interesting in that she said things like 'You have to feed the Schwarts or they lose too much weight', or 'Schwarts lambs grow quickly'.

It made me think that she might have picked this up from Dutch breeders she possibly bought her originals from?
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devonlad

  • Joined Nov 2012
  • Nr Crediton in Devon
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2015, 07:22:01 pm »
Round here the t gets dropped all together and its zwarbles. The most variation I've come across is for lleyns. Of course it should be the welsh double ll followed by een. Fave round here is clin but I've also hear lane , cleen, thin, theen and Lin. Less confusion with our Wiltshire horn

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2015, 07:29:20 pm »
Well, if Lleyns are named after the Lleyn / Ll^yn peninsula, they would be pronounced the same as the place, right?  i.e. Khlinn.

The only person I know who keeps them pronounces it "Cleen", so when I first met her I thought she was telling me her sheep weren't dirty!  :innocent:


Edit: Just spoke to a friend studied Dutch at Uni. She says "Een zwartbles ooi and Twee zwartbles ooien", which is also the consensus opinion so far!  :thumbsup:

Oh, and Devonlad, surely it's Zwaaaarbles in your neck of the woods?  ;D
« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 07:49:40 pm by Womble »
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devonlad

  • Joined Nov 2012
  • Nr Crediton in Devon
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2015, 08:57:16 pm »
zwaaaaaarbles it is  ;D
reminds me of a Devon farmer who is out walking his land one evening and sees a smartly dressed man crouching down by a stream, about to take a drink
" ERE, ee dun wanna be doin at- tis full o arse piss and cow s**t" says the farmer
"I'm terribly sorry but I've just moved down from London and bought that lovely cottage in the village which I plan to develop," replies the man "you'll need to speak much slower, I've yet to get to grips with the lingo"
"Oh I'm sorry, if-you-use-two-hands-you-won't-spill-any" replied the farmer helpfully

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2015, 09:05:58 pm »
I like that, devonlad  ;D
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

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Hellybee

  • Joined Feb 2010
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Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2015, 11:26:15 pm »

Trying to put the pronunciation of LL and found this.


Put your tongue in the position as if to say H and L similtaneously . Breathe out gently over that. It's a crackly hard sound.


add een on the end :)

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: You say Zwartble and I say Zwartbles......
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 12:39:24 am »
OK, Mrs Womble just came through to ask if I was choking.......  ::)
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