Author Topic: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................  (Read 2555 times)

Mallows Flock

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calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« on: August 12, 2012, 01:52:11 pm »
I am a bit of a dork with all the Shetland fleece styles and colourations! So far I have got the idea of katmoget, Gulmoget, Black and grey under my belt but have recently had 2 new little babkins who look different to the others I have had born to date and was wondering....................
does anyone know what this colouration is......is it Fawn Katmoget?  The mother is a grey Katmoget!

Cheers  :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: August 12, 2012, 02:10:39 pm by Mallows Flock »
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Mallows Flock

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 02:00:56 pm »
Actually, it would also be good to know what colouration/type this lamb is too..... the one in the middle with black legs and face and reddishy/grey fleece!
 
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Sylvia

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 02:12:14 pm »
The Shetland Sheep Society will sell you, cheaply, a poster charting all markings. :sheep:

Mallows Flock

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 02:38:05 pm »
I have it Sylvia but it doesn't help me in this instance as it's a poster of drawings rather than photos so I find it confusing to follow with any slight colour or pattern variations. thanks anyway tho x  :)
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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 02:51:41 pm »
I have it Sylvia but it doesn't help me in this instance as it's a poster of drawings rather than photos so I find it confusing to follow with any slight colour or pattern variations. thanks anyway tho x  :)

I've just looked at our SS poster and I'm non the wiser either!! it is dated 1996,BC (before cameras) ;D

Mallows Flock

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 02:54:43 pm »
I have it Sylvia but it doesn't help me in this instance as it's a poster of drawings rather than photos so I find it confusing to follow with any slight colour or pattern variations. thanks anyway tho x  :)

I've just looked at our SS poster and I'm non the wiser either!! it is dated 1996,BC (before cameras) ;D
LOL.... glad it is not just me!!!!!!!  :D
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woollyval

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 02:56:53 pm »
I am no expert on all the shetland colours but the lambs appear to be moorit katmogets....basically the same as katmoget but brown where their mother is black! No idea on the grey one and I agree that chart is very confusing  ;D
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Mallows Flock

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 02:58:56 pm »
gosh Val...i didn't even know you COULD get Moorit katmogets! LOL! Oh my..... these kids are confusing. They need to be blacks or whites or grey katmogets! then I am ok! LOL!
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woollyval

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 03:10:02 pm »
LOL .....!!! Both sorts  of basic katmogets make very desirable sheepskin rugs!!!!  I believe there are others...gul katmoget? but no idea actually what colour that is!!!
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jaykay

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 03:11:39 pm »
Basically Shetland sheep have three sets of colour genes.

Set 1 (called the Agouti set), In order of dominance, most dominant first:
White, grey mouflon, grey, light katmoget, katmoget or gulmoget, other solid colour
Set 2. Black or brown
Set 3. Plain or spotted

Each sheep has two genes of each set. So I've put what we know and ? if we don't know what the second one is.

So your Grey katmoget has 1. Katmoget/?  2. Black/brown 3. Plain/?
The reason we know she's 2. Black/brown is that she herself is showing black (grey katmogets are basically black with the katmoget pattern on top) but must have a brown gene which she's passed on to her lambs.

Your moorit katmoget lambs are: 1. Katmoget/? 2. brown/brown 3. Plain/?

Going away to think about that brownish lamb with black legs!


Mallows Flock

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 04:00:08 pm »
OMG JayKay...have had to read your post about 6 times!!!!!!!
So, basically, the twin lambs are Moorit Katmogets and their 3 sets of colour are  1. Katmoget/? 2. brown/brown 3. Plain/?
AreMoorit Katmogets pretty common?
if it helps, the Sire of the twin lambs was a Grey.... not Katmoget...just a grey so maybe the genes for the lambs are:-
1. Katmoget/grey 2. brown/brown 3. Plain/plain?????
Does it even work like that?
The reddish one with black legs had 2 grey parents... not grey katmoget...just grey!
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kanisha

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2012, 04:12:31 pm »
Hi Jay kay any chance of more info on the grey mouflon in shetlands? i thought this was only in icelandics but i am very happy if it is also in shetlands.

thanks

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 04:17:11 pm »
Jaykay... here is a close up if it helps!
 
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jaykay

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 04:40:54 pm »
Kanisha, the reference I was reading suggested grey moufflon in Icelandics, Shetlands and Finns but much rarer in Shetlands. Will try to find it.

Mallows, it does work like that, well done!
Except that if the tup had passed on his grey gene, the lambs would be grey, not katmoget as grey is higher up the list than katmoget, ie more dominant.
So the tup must have been grey/? where the ? is katmoget or other solid colour and that's the gene he passed to the lambs.

Your lamb with the black legs - the nearest I can find is grey moufflon moorit. Very rare!
1. Grey moufflon/? 2. brown/brown 3. plain/?

Fleecewife

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Re: calling all Shetland Colouration experts................
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 04:57:08 pm »
The mouflon pattern includes the tear drops and pale bits either side of the tail ie Soay most common pattern and Shetland Gulmoget, whereas this chap has Suffolk and Norfolk horn markings, with a plain black face.
 
Katmoget with brown rather than grey/black is usually called fawn katmoget as far as I know  :sheep:
« Last Edit: August 12, 2012, 05:01:58 pm by Fleecewife »
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