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Title: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 09, 2016, 09:46:49 pm
Been a bit quiet on hear lately and I seem to remember last year there was a few meat bird projects floating about so thought folk could post on here there progress.

So who is trying to improve production of the meat or laying birds ?
Using pure breeds, hybrids or crosses.
Title: Re: Breeding for Production Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 09, 2016, 09:59:35 pm
I'm rearing Sasso slow growth table birds and Buff Plymouth Rocks at the moment, have Sasso medium growth Farm Rangers in the Incy, along with some Ixworth X Hubbards and Indian Game eggs.
I'm measuring the growth speed and weights then I'll compare various crosses between them to decide on the best combination.

Will put up some pics soon.
Title: Re: Breeding for Production Meat or Eggs
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on June 09, 2016, 10:21:01 pm
I gave up on the idea when the breeders never replied, so have gone for dual purpose instead, but mostly eggs. I am about to put speckled sussex hatching eggs under broody hen. What is their meat like, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Breeding for Production Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 09, 2016, 11:05:01 pm
If there anything like light Sussex the meat will be excellent, but will take about 24 weeks to fill out   
Title: Re: Breeding for Production Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 10, 2016, 10:38:19 am
These are my Sasso slow grow Galouise meat birds, they are 6 week now and average between 1.03 - 1.07kg so are progressing well.
I am hoping for a 2kg dressed bird in 14 weeks.

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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 11, 2016, 10:53:14 am
I'm looking to cross these Slow grow Cockerels with a Sasso Medium Farm Ranger hens like this from last year

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 11, 2016, 10:56:06 am
And add some Indian Game into the mix from this guy that I hatched out last year

Hoping to achieve a 2.5kg bird in 12 weeks or a 5kg bird in about 18 weeks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Q on June 11, 2016, 11:11:10 am
WD Dave - that is quite impressive progress.    :thumbsup:

Your caption photo is very apt too!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 11, 2016, 09:39:15 pm
They look good study birds!

I'm hatching a cross due on Monday: Jersey Giant x La Bresse. I expect they'll be slow growing but hope to get some big tasty birds in the end.  It's more curiosity than anything else.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 12, 2016, 09:44:08 am
WD Dave - that is quite impressive progress.    :thumbsup:

Your caption photo is very apt too!

Thanks Q, it's still very much work in progress but later this year & next year should be quite interesting, hopefully.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 12, 2016, 09:57:33 am
They look good study birds!

I'm hatching a cross due on Monday: Jersey Giant x La Bresse. I expect they'll be slow growing but hope to get some big tasty birds in the end.  It's more curiosity than anything else.

Yes will be interesting to see how they turn out, I've never had JG but bred La Bresse and found them a great DP bird, mine were about 1.8 - 2kg at about 26 weeks, I've heard that the JG are slow maturing but you will have the added value of hybrid vigor.

Great if you keep posting your progress  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 12, 2016, 10:21:26 pm
I shall. I've heard Jersey giants are building bone for the first 6 months and only start fleshing out after that.  I think that's an exaggeration and it may be different with the cross (although La Besse aren't fast maturing either) but I'm happy to just see how it goes.

The only problem with the slow maturing breeds is that the cockerels start crowing and fighting before you can kill them! How do you deal with that?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 13, 2016, 09:44:09 am
HI DAVE C

I AM CURRENTLY REARING UTILITY LIGHT SUSSEX, AND ALSO INDIAN GAME X LIGHT SUSSEX I HAVE AROUND 11 ITS FIRST TIME PROJECT

THEY ARE 6 WEEKS OLD JUST COME OFF CHICK CRUMB AND ARE NOW ON GROWERS, GRASS AND A GAME MIX THAT I HAVE PUT IN TO A 3:1 RATIO

I HAVENT WEIGHED THEM YET BUT WILL DO AND POST ON HERE THEY SEEM TO BE GROWING LIKE BULLDOGS

AIMING TO CULL AROUND 17-20 WEEKS

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 13, 2016, 01:44:53 pm
I shall. I've heard Jersey giants are building bone for the first 6 months and only start fleshing out after that.  I think that's an exaggeration and it may be different with the cross (although La Besse aren't fast maturing either) but I'm happy to just see how it goes.

The only problem with the slow maturing breeds is that the cockerels start crowing and fighting before you can kill them! How do you deal with that?

I don't have to much of a problem with it really, the crowing isn't an issue where I live and because mine free range from 6 weeks ( or at least a very large pen ) the have the odd spar but nothing serious, if there is any real trouble makers there off the Freezer Camp early  :yum:

How's the hatching going ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 13, 2016, 01:55:45 pm
HI DAVE C

I AM CURRENTLY REARING UTILITY LIGHT SUSSEX, AND ALSO INDIAN GAME X LIGHT SUSSEX I HAVE AROUND 11 ITS FIRST TIME PROJECT

THEY ARE 6 WEEKS OLD JUST COME OFF CHICK CRUMB AND ARE NOW ON GROWERS, GRASS AND A GAME MIX THAT I HAVE PUT IN TO A 3:1 RATIO

I HAVENT WEIGHED THEM YET BUT WILL DO AND POST ON HERE THEY SEEM TO BE GROWING LIKE BULLDOGS

AIMING TO CULL AROUND 17-20 WEEKS

I love LS & IG but never had a cross between them what weights are you hoping for ? they should make a lovely table bird, do you own the parent stock or have you bought eggs in ?
Are you going to process all the birds or keep some back for breeding if so what's your plans ?

Also pics would be nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 13, 2016, 02:47:52 pm


How's the hatching going ?

Nothing yet.  Apparently Jersey Giants can be a couple of days longer so maybe I'm a bit keen.  All but 2 were alive and kicking when I candled a couple of days ago, so hoping for 10.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 13, 2016, 06:30:41 pm


How's the hatching going ?

Nothing yet.  Apparently Jersey Giants can be a couple of days longer so maybe I'm a bit keen.  All but 2 were alive and kicking when I candled a couple of days ago, so hoping for 10.

Nothing a matter with being keen  :thumbsup:

Good luck  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Jullienne on June 13, 2016, 08:03:03 pm
Nice birds [member=82026]Dave C[/member]  Is the meat really good and tasty then?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 13, 2016, 08:14:36 pm
3 little yellow fluffies have appeared under my broody...  :thumbsup:

Possibly more by now, but I won't disturb her again today.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 13, 2016, 08:38:38 pm
The eggs where from Fred hams lines

I aim to save some some females but I am going to look what to cross back

Whether I keep some light Sussex and bring in a Indian game
Or whether to keep IG x And put that back to IG or LS
To try and achieve a faster growing bird

If that makes sense

I will get pictures soon as and will weigh them
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 13, 2016, 09:07:45 pm
Nice birds [member=82026]Dave C[/member]  Is the meat really good and tasty then?

Of course  :yum: that's why I do them.
That and I like the idea of improving and creating better strains.

They say it's tastes like what chicken used to taste like, but I know the meat is firmer and very tasty, the leg meat is darker and you can carve the Brest instead of it being mushy & tasteless.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 13, 2016, 09:13:34 pm
The eggs where from Fred hams lines

I aim to save some some females but I am going to look what to cross back

Whether I keep some light Sussex and bring in a Indian game
Or whether to keep IG x And put that back to IG or LS
To try and achieve a faster growing bird

If that makes sense

I will get pictures soon as and will weigh them

I've heard a lot of good things about Fred Hams lines being excellent Utility strain  :thumbsup:

You could try different combinations of the 2 breeds keeping back the fastest maturing birds for breeding which should keeping improving stock with every generation.

The best thing is you can always eat your mistakes, ha.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 14, 2016, 03:06:36 pm
3 little yellow fluffies have appeared under my broody...  :thumbsup:

Possibly more by now, but I won't disturb her again today.

So how did you get on then ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 14, 2016, 04:02:18 pm
Still hatching. Up to five and a half at the moment: 4 under the broody and one and a half (ongoing..) in incubator. I think maybe the temperature was a spot low in the incubator so they're a little slower. There's one egg under the broody that looks unlikely.

The chicks are very vigerous and big! They are eating well and very corny fluffy-yellow.

I forgot to say, a couple are Cuckoo Marans x JG as a comparison. One of the chicks is this cross.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 14, 2016, 09:52:38 pm
Well I hope things go well tonight  :fc:

One of the nicest cock birds I've seen was a Blue Copper Marans X Jersey Giant so good luck with it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 15, 2016, 04:57:43 pm
I've got 7 out of the 10. No idea why the other 3 have given up or are so very late! Broody has started moving about so last 3 have a last ditch chance in the incubator but no signs of life atm.  Maybe my candelling isn't so hot, or maybe the chicks are too big for the eggs so can't turn or something. Probably crossing with JG hens would be better....

The ones that have hatched are doing very well. Two Marans x now and noticeably smaller at this stage, but given the protracted hatch, the youngest is at least 24 hours younger than the oldest. I'll get a photo tomorrow.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 16, 2016, 07:12:16 pm
Some of my Buff Plymouth Rocks
4 weeks and averaging 315g (a bit puny compared to my meatballs)
Not sure what they going to bring to my meat project, but I like buff birds and it will be good to compare their cross with my broiler hybrids with my IG cross with the hybrids. 
I'm hoping they have a strong statue, but we will see.

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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 17, 2016, 10:11:58 am
i cant seem to put pictures up, it says that the files are too big

this coming off an iphone

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 17, 2016, 06:44:13 pm
Yeah I sometimes have the same problem,
It seems to be very hity missy !!!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 18, 2016, 10:55:54 am
Just looked at my iPhone, I normally take the pic further away than I want then go to edit pic and trim the edges / zoom in and re save pic.
The attachment normally works then, must reduce pixels or something  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 19, 2016, 06:38:34 pm
I have Indian game eggs due to hatch this week which I'm looking forward to so fingers crossed  :fc:

I'm also getting 20 Sasso Farm Ranger meat birds delivered next Saturday along with 20 Guinea Fowl so will hopefully rearing them all together.

So expect to see loads of pics soon  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 19, 2016, 10:30:22 pm
I have created a spreadsheet that colour codes highest and lowest weights and that calculates the average weights etc.

I have weighed the birds at 6 weeks 3 days

My light sussexs have the better weight averages so far

What weights should the birds be looking at that age I have couple of birds already weighing 0.9kg and 0.8kg but the rest at around 0.65-0.75kg

Thoughts
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 06:01:32 am
Few pics
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 06:04:40 am
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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 06:05:40 am
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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 20, 2016, 01:55:11 pm
I have created a spreadsheet that colour codes highest and lowest weights and that calculates the average weights etc.

I have weighed the birds at 6 weeks 3 days

My light sussexs have the better weight averages so far

What weights should the birds be looking at that age I have couple of birds already weighing 0.9kg and 0.8kg but the rest at around 0.65-0.75kg

Thoughts

I've had both breeds but never weighed them at that age, I would say though that the .9 & .8kg birds seem a good weight for traditional breeds of that age it would be worth keeping an eye on them two for future breeding.
My hybrids were a bit heavier but hybrids are going to be but it will be interesting what my Buff Rocks weigh in at next week when there 6 weeks, don't think they will be as heavy as yours but will be good to compare.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 01:56:08 pm
BELOW IS THE SPREADSHEET I CREATED TO MONITOR MY MEAT BIRDS
THESE BIRDS WHERE HATCHED ON SAME DAY, AND BEEN FED THE SAME FEED SINCE DAY THEY WHERE BORN
I WILL WEIGH AGAIN ON WEEK 13 AND THEN ADD SEX TO THE SPREAD SHEET I HAVE ID ALL THE BIRDS SO TO HAVE A TRUE RECORD

I HAVE FOUND THAT THE LIGHT SUSSEX ARE GROWNING FASTER AT PRESENT
I MAY SEPERATE THE LESS HEAVY BIRDS TO SEE IF THEY THEN EAT MORE
BUT THE WEIGHTS DONT LOOK TOO BAD AT THE MINUTE


   BATCH 1 6 WEEK 3 DAY WEIGH IN (KG)      
ID   LIGHT SUSSEX   IG X LS    ID

1100   0.725                    0.725     1106
1101   0.765                    0.631     1107
1102   0.800                    0.720     1108
1103   0.686                    0.673     1109
1104   0.714                    0.675     1110
1105   0.930       
         
      LS   IGXLS
LOWEST WEIGHT    0.686    0.631    
TOP WEIGHT    0.930    0.725    
AVERAGE WEIGHT   0.770    0.685    
         
         

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 20, 2016, 01:57:41 pm
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Nice looking birds as well  :thumbsup:
Are the IG X LS sex linked do you know, i.e. Hens brown, cocks white ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 02:18:51 pm
yes you can sex link, the males are like a light buff colour not white more like an orpington colour and the females are a darker brown

could yoou view the data from the spreadsheet

wasnt use it uploaded properly

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 20, 2016, 06:30:53 pm
It looks good data  :thumbsup:

I'm no expert at plotting growth comparison charts and some on here may give better information as this is the first year I've tracked the weights of my birds so closely, but I'm weighing more often to try to spot optimin growth spells at certain ages if you know what I mean, to try to give me the best time to cull, as after that your feeding for not much weight gain.

This chart explains it s bit better

 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 08:25:25 pm
Thanks Dave

I will have a look
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 20, 2016, 08:36:53 pm
I might sound daft but what does culminative mean

And would you plot each individual bird
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 21, 2016, 10:28:16 pm
I might sound daft but what does culminative mean

And would you plot each individual bird

My take on it is - Cumulative consumption is the Total kg of feed consumed by a batch = FCR feed conversation ratio.

This Tells you the efficiency of the bird to convert feed into weight.

If that makes sense  :relief:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 21, 2016, 10:30:02 pm
My Indian Game eggs are on lock down now  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 21, 2016, 11:09:04 pm
Hi Dave
I started another chart for each bird weighing each week
But I was thinking culminative was the average weight of all the birds so have plotted a chart to see where each bird lies with the average
I guess I was wrong ha
But it still works and data is useful

I have been monitoring how much feed I have been giving them but might be best to wait until later down the line as I have just been monitoring the cost per bird to finish
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2016, 07:58:25 am
Yes all data is useful  :thumbsup:

I'm the same I just work on averages really.

Have your LS X IG taken on the IG stature ?
Could be they are a more compact bird.

I'm keeping all 4 hens from this batch & 2 lucky cockerels.
There is 3 cockerels that I like so keeping a close eye on them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 22, 2016, 08:15:31 am
hi
ye some of them have at a couple of weeks they where stocky,
i will keep the best and fastest growing cockerel and and 3 best pullets for breeding stock
that way i can also cross reference the offspring stats to there parents
i will keep a line of the light sussex

speaking to others that have compared both using same method the light sussex can hold a bit of fat around the organs and under the breast (not a bad thing)
where as the IG X doesnt carry any which makes it a very lean bird
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2016, 08:43:31 am
I'm not too worried about feed conversations this year, I'm mainly getting some stock birds and a few for the table.
When I have my stock in place that I'm happy with I'll then start keeping the best proformers moving forward.

IG is a nice dense meat as well, the cock bird I'm using is huge but it's taken a good while to get there.
The Hens are not as big but a good old weight when you pick them up.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 22, 2016, 10:10:16 am
maybe we could do some swaps in the future some nice LS for IG HA :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2016, 03:20:22 pm
Sounds a good idea PRincess Ruby :thumbsup:

Are you looking to keep IG as a pure breed as well ?

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2016, 03:23:25 pm
I've got 7 out of the 10. No idea why the other 3 have given up or are so very late! Broody has started moving about so last 3 have a last ditch chance in the incubator but no signs of life atm.  Maybe my candelling isn't so hot, or maybe the chicks are too big for the eggs so can't turn or something. Probably crossing with JG hens would be better....

The ones that have hatched are doing very well. Two Marans x now and noticeably smaller at this stage, but given the protracted hatch, the youngest is at least 24 hours younger than the oldest. I'll get a photo tomorrow.

Hows the chicks doing Hevxxx99 ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on June 22, 2016, 10:44:07 pm
Please, call me Hev!  :)

They're doing well and eating like horses. I'm flat out at the moment, so haven't had much chance to do anything like weighing them, but will next week i hope.  The JGxLa Bresse are noticeably larger than the JGxMarans at this stage.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 23, 2016, 07:28:20 am
Sounds a good idea PRincess Ruby :thumbsup:

Are you looking to keep IG as a pure breed as well ?

Yes I wouldn't mind some IG at some point next year
Just got to do some clearing out of others for next year
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 24, 2016, 01:25:21 pm
They are 8 weeks old now with an average cockerel weight of 1.82kg.
So I think they will be ready in about 4 weeks.


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I'm keeping all 4 pullets but starting to narrow down which 2 cockerels I will keep back as breeders.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 24, 2016, 02:35:41 pm
thats not a bad hatch to table time  12weeks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 24, 2016, 09:13:15 pm
They are growing well
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 25, 2016, 07:38:46 am
They do look well  :thumbsup:
Very nice.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 25, 2016, 12:24:40 pm
Just picked these little fellas up.


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There is 20 Sasso medium grow Farm Rangers
And 20 Guinea Fowl.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 25, 2016, 01:12:06 pm
How long do the sasso take to grow out
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 25, 2016, 04:40:14 pm
The growers I have at 8 weeks are also Sasso (who is the manufacturer of the hybrids) they are slow growth birds making 2.3kg in 12-14 weeks and these Sasso Farm Ranger chicks are medium growth birds which should make 3.2kg in 14 weeks ( I had 2 make 5kg in 14 weeks last year.

My plan is to cross the two hybrids and also cross them with IG.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 26, 2016, 01:15:43 pm
Very interesting
How much feed they using
Where did you get the sasso
From
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 26, 2016, 06:48:29 pm
I get the Sasso's from S&T Poultry who import the eggs from France, they have a good website.

I haven't measured the feed this year as I'm rearing a few different breeds but last year I calculated each bird cost me £4.95 to buy and rear to Slaughter weight, which I was very happy with.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 26, 2016, 08:29:26 pm
Sounds good to me
I will have a look at that site
Cheers
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 27, 2016, 11:19:26 am
here is a comparison of week 6 and 7 weigh in
the results ive found are below

most birds have grown this week by an average of 62g apart from bird
bird 1102 that was 0.8kg last week and lost 18g so will keep an eye on that one she was eating yesterday
bird 1101 was the top weight gain putting on an impressive 85g
bird 1103 has constantly been under average but had the 2nd best weight gain with 84g

   BATCH 1, 6 WEEK 3 DAY WEIGH IN (KG)      
ID   LIGHT SUSSEX   IG X LS    ID
1100   0.725                      0.725    1106
1101   0.765                      0.631    1107
1102   0.800                      0.720    1108
1103   0.686                      0.673    1109
1104   0.714                      0.675    1110
1105   0.930       
         
         
LOWEST WEIGHT    0.686    0.631    
TOP WEIGHT    0.930    0.725    
AVERAGE WEIGHT   0.770    0.685    

         
   BATCH 1, 7 WEEK 3 DAY WEIGH IN (KG)      
ID   LIGHT SUSSEX   IG X LS    ID
1100   0.791                      0.788    1106
1101   0.850                      0.698    1107
1102   0.782                      0.758    1108
1103   0.770                      0.742    1109
1104   0.770                      0.727    1110
1105   0.983       
         
         
LOWEST WEIGHT    0.770    0.698    
TOP WEIGHT    0.983    0.788    
AVERAGE WEIGHT   0.824    0.743    


i have attactched a copule of colour coded documents
could you let me know if you can open and read them
feel free to use them if it allows but just becareful you dont delete any formulas
these documents will hopefully help with my selective breeding for next year

FYI this is an excell document

thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 28, 2016, 05:53:45 pm
Hi Ruby, good data  :thumbsup:

I can see the 2 documents but there not showing any colour coding but I'm opening it on my phone if that makes a difference  :thinking:
Don't know I'm not very techy  :innocent:

That data is useful straight away with the show the hen loosing weight.
And the 85g gain in a week is cracking  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 28, 2016, 09:07:39 pm
Bit of boring info for you, ha.
I've been researching my Sasso hybrid meat birds to try and find a bit more info on there breeding and what to call them, understandably Sasso keep there breeding top secret and just call the Slow Grow a T551 and the Medium grow a X431A, as lovely names as they are I looked at what the Hatchery called them.
They call the Medium Grow a Farm Ranger which is ok, But the Slow Grow they call a Poulet Galouis (which I don't like) so translated it means Gallic Chicken, now Gallic was a ancient tribe similar to the Celts and the Gallic Rooster is the emblem of France.

So from now on I'm calling them and there offspring Gallic Chickens.

I like the shape of this Gallic Pullet on the left.



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Any excuse to put up some pics  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: farmers wife on June 28, 2016, 10:00:56 pm
Really enjoying reading this thread.  Im interesting in raising slow chicken with the best taste what do you recommend - not hatching just day olds. They will be raised on an organic system.  I assume you kill and dress on site?  Do you hang?  Are you raising just for yr own freezer?  I currently buy chicken from Everfields and paying £14 each so assume a good cost saving?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 28, 2016, 10:40:58 pm
Hi Dave great info about the sasso
I think I will give them a go once this group has been sorted

Ye if you can open the attachment on a laptop you will see the full data base it automatically update all data and colour codes
Once I have got to cull weight I will add cumulative feed and charts to it and then protect the fields that have formulas, I will post the spreadsheet for all to use

Hi farmers I have LS and some IG x LS first time project
I think these will be ready around 20 weeks
I will keep the best growing birds to breed from
I will also put a IG x LS back with LS cockerel and see how they get on

The good thing is you can experiment and eat what you won't use
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 28, 2016, 10:48:04 pm
P.s farmer

I recon I will come in at about £5 per bird that's including buying hatching eggs

So the next round of breeding will probably get me down to around £3-4 per bird
And should have a table weight of 2kg +
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 28, 2016, 10:49:27 pm
Bit of boring info for you, ha.
I've been researching my Sasso hybrid meat birds to try and find a bit more info on there breeding and what to call them, understandably Sasso keep there breeding top secret and just call the Slow Grow a T551 and the Medium grow a X431A, as lovely names as they are I looked at what the Hatchery called them.
They call the Medium Grow a Farm Ranger which is ok, But the Slow Grow they call a Poulet Galouis (which I don't like) so translated it means Gallic Chicken, now Gallic was a ancient tribe similar to the Celts and the Gallic Rooster is the emblem of France.

So from now on I'm calling them and there offspring Gallic Chickens.

I like the shape of this Gallic Pullet on the left.



(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1993450/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1993450/image.jpeg)


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Any excuse to put up some pics  :innocent:
[cracking looking birds]
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 29, 2016, 03:59:27 pm
Hi Dave great info about the sasso
I think I will give them a go once this group has been sorted

Ye if you can open the attachment on a laptop you will see the full data base it automatically update all data and colour codes
Once I have got to cull weight I will add cumulative feed and charts to it and then protect the fields that have formulas, I will post the spreadsheet for all to use

Hi farmers I have LS and some IG x LS first time project
I think these will be ready around 20 weeks
I will keep the best growing birds to breed from
I will also put a IG x LS back with LS cockerel and see how they get on

The good thing is you can experiment and eat what you won't use

Princess Ruby, this spread sheet is excellent  :thumbsup:
Just need to work out how to save it now  :innocent:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 29, 2016, 04:17:12 pm
Really enjoying reading this thread.  Im interesting in raising slow chicken with the best taste what do you recommend - not hatching just day olds. They will be raised on an organic system.  I assume you kill and dress on site?  Do you hang?  Are you raising just for yr own freezer?  I currently buy chicken from Everfields and paying £14 each so assume a good cost saving?

Hi Farmers Wife, pleased you're enjoying the thread & hope to see you posting pics of your meat birds soon  :thumbsup:

The type to do depends on the time you would like to finish them in, I would keep away from very fast mature hybrids (some finish in 6/8 weeks) :yuck: like supermarket birds.
Slower growth costs more in time and feed but packs more flavour imo it will suit your free range style as well.
Yes mine are just for me & the family and will be processed at home.
I'm thinking this first batch will probably cost me £4.28 per bird depending on exactly when there ready but I'm also looking for a 2kg bird dressed.
I'm looking to try to create a sustainable flock which might not be the cheapest way to go as I will have winter feed costs, but it will be good fun experimenting  :excited:
I will then be looking to do more batches.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 29, 2016, 04:30:39 pm
P.S. Just checked my old record book and I have down that last year my Farm Rangers made between 4.5 - 5kg in 14 weeks and cost me £4.60 each.
But there's a lot of scribbles in there which I can't understand  :innocent:

Won't have this problem now I have this new spread sheet PR  :idea:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 01, 2016, 12:00:21 pm
Some of My Buff Plymouth Rocks, they  are 6 weeks now
They have a decent shape but not much weight to them, now at 430g.


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They are not in my project plans for next year but possibly later depending how things shape up.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 03, 2016, 04:35:36 pm
Been thinking about a movable pen for a while for a breeding group of chickens or Lambs etc.
Picked this 50mtr Of Electric Poultry Netting with gate & energiser for £50.
Bargain  wink.gif


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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 03, 2016, 09:33:26 pm
Weighed the birds this evening will post results tomorrow on spreadsheet see how they have got on
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 04, 2016, 09:18:52 am
spreadsheet attactched

results i have found this week

all birds have gained over 100g this week the lowest been 0.122g gained, highest been 0.192g with an average of 0.167g weight gain which i feel is pretty good and this reflects in the feed been used

bird 1102 LS that lost 0.018g last week gained 0.122 this week so happy that she has put weight on

birds 1101 and 1105 have bee the best weight gains but as i havent sexed them yet i will put these down to been cockerels

i think later down the line i will create another 2 smaller sexed charts and seperate the male and females to distinguish the best male and females from the group for breeding

hope you enjoy the read
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: farmers wife on July 04, 2016, 12:54:14 pm
Ok Im really interested now.  5 months growing  means its entering Christmas/Jan.  I'm not sure if I've missed the boat then.  We rear hens for laying and they are outside until Oc/Nov then they have to be put in the barn as its just too wet plus poor daylight hours.  As we aim for organic pasture fed should I be looking at rearing hens March time to get the best out of the seasons, keeping down on all inputs and using the daylight and nature to benefit these birds.  Assuming we eat a whole bird twice a month then 24 birds in the freezer.


Foxes are an issue and hubby made a cage that can be trollied around but that wouldnt be big enough for 25 birds.  Do they come in at night like layers?



We live on a medium farm thats in organic conversion and trying to be more self sufficient.  Whats it like processing chickens - we did ducks and the kids loved the plucking, we did hang them and I watched youtube on gutting etc. I assume you kill, gut and process on same day?


Whats your feed back on this? 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 04, 2016, 01:21:36 pm
hi
i have not got to that stage yet but i would think they are easier than ducks
i have a couple of surplus cocks (not utility to practice on before that time comes)
my chickens take themselves in once they know where there housing is
this may take a couple of days of putting them in on a night


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 04, 2016, 03:02:20 pm
spreadsheet attactched

results i have found this week

all birds have gained over 100g this week the lowest been 0.122g gained, highest been 0.192g with an average of 0.167g weight gain which i feel is pretty good and this reflects in the feed been used

bird 1102 LS that lost 0.018g last week gained 0.122 this week so happy that she has put weight on

birds 1101 and 1105 have bee the best weight gains but as i havent sexed them yet i will put these down to been cockerels

i think later down the line i will create another 2 smaller sexed charts and seperate the male and females to distinguish the best male and females from the group for breeding

hope you enjoy the read

They seem good weights Princess  :thumbsup:
What do they feel like ? Are they still building frame or do they feel meaty?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 04, 2016, 03:26:41 pm
All my chicken houses have a secure run attached to them so they can come out early morning & stretch there legs (as there up before me)  :innocent:
This means if I need to for any reason I can lock them away & they still get outside, also when they are new to the house I keep them in for about a week so they get used to roosting there, then have no problems after that they always seem to get themselves to bed.

I would say chickens would process a bit easier than ducks, some breeds easier than others, White & buff tend to dress cleaner than dark birds.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 04, 2016, 03:37:53 pm
I did some Ixworth for Christmas back in 2013, I processed them in December and they were 2.7kg after 30 weeks but were so disappointing as they were all frame, tasted great but not as much meat as I hoped.
I put this down to a lack of daylight hours, so if you can rear them in a barn with lights you should still get good weights.
If your not looking to keep any for breeding You could also try hybrids like mine which finish in about 14 weeks they will also be easier to fatten.
I might try a batch out of my Sasso Gallic hybrids when they start laying to see if they breed true, mine won't be under lights to finish them so will see if they fatten any easier than traditional breeds.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 04, 2016, 04:05:50 pm
i am starting to feel a bit of meat on them, some are still a bit FRAMY,
i forgot to add that last week when they where weighed i moved them off the grass so i reckon they are filling up on growers as opposed than grass, this could be where the extra weight has come from
my next test would be to do the same rear on grass until 7 weeks that would give a fair reading

this gets addictive ha

DAVE
u ever tried a sassO x LS?
 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 04, 2016, 04:36:20 pm
I think with my LS they got to about 16 weeks building frame then started to meat up and were very tasty  :yum: and your right it's very addictive ha.

I've never crossed any hybrid meat bird before so am quite excited about it  :excited:
They say they don't breed true as they are the end result but I'm sure I'll get something meaty & by breeding 2 types of hybrids together I'm really hopeful of getting some large birds, also adding in IG will improve there strength, statute and movement, that's the idea anyway  :idea:

I've reared the Sasso Gallic & Sasso Farm Rangers before and both are excellent, last year I kept some back for breeding this year but while I was working away my lad forgot to lock them away and we lost them to a fox.
I'm not making that mistake again, if I'm away there not being let out of their run.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 04, 2016, 04:56:04 pm
are there any utility shows, i thought i saw an advert last year for one but not sure where

it would be good to show off some heritage breeds
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 04, 2016, 04:58:33 pm
oh and i have just hatched some muscovies
as i am aware they are not utility strain or at least 2 of them aint but the meat is very nice a bit like steak
so i am going to use the same chart to plot there growth at the same stages
these should reach a decent weight by around 16 weeks
in time for christmas
 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 04, 2016, 06:15:29 pm
are there any utility shows, i thought i saw an advert last year for one but not sure where

it would be good to show off some heritage breeds

I have 3 Country Shows near me that have Poultry show tents,
That's Stanhope, Egglestone and Wolsingham show (which is the oldest Country show in the country).
There is also the Great Yorkshire which is worth a look, if you don't mind the traffic jams  :innocent:

The poultry club have a list of venues on there website.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 04, 2016, 06:28:15 pm
oh and i have just hatched some muscovies
as i am aware they are not utility strain or at least 2 of them aint but the meat is very nice a bit like steak
so i am going to use the same chart to plot there growth at the same stages
these should reach a decent weight by around 16 weeks
in time for christmas

Good idea using the same chart.

I don't keep any ducks at home but rear 50 mallard on my shoot, also Duck flight a lot of wild birds so have plenty of meat come September.

I have heard the Muscovies carry quite a bit of meat on them and isn't as fatty  :thumbsup:
What kind of time scales are they table ready ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: shari on July 04, 2016, 09:17:18 pm
Hi Dave

I also have slow growing Sasso chicks. They are 6 weeks old now and I have noticed in the last week that some of them are getting bloated crops.

Is that something that you are experiencing as well?

Thanks
Shari
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 04, 2016, 09:46:55 pm
I have some birds entered I. Yorkshire show
I was thinking something different with utilities I.e staying away from show standard if you get what I mean

The Muscovy males are considerably bigger which you probably already know
And will reach a 2-3kg at 16 weeks
50% less fat than an Aylesbury duck at same age
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 05, 2016, 07:24:30 pm
Hi Dave

I also have slow growing Sasso chicks. They are 6 weeks old now and I have noticed in the last week that some of them are getting bloated crops.

Is that something that you are experiencing as well?

Thanks
Shari

Hi Shari, no I have had no problems with mine I'm also impressed that I haven't had to restrict food from them, mine are Sasso T551 (Gallic) and my chicks are Sasso X431A ( Farm Rangers) what type are yours ?

Are they bloated all the time or just after eating and are they eating ok or off there food?
Also are all of them suffering or just 1 or 2 ?
Could there be an obstruction in there or maybe eaten some long grass they can't digest ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 05, 2016, 07:35:38 pm
I have some birds entered I. Yorkshire show
I was thinking something different with utilities I.e staying away from show standard if you get what I mean

The Muscovy males are considerably bigger which you probably already know
And will reach a 2-3kg at 16 weeks
50% less fat than an Aylesbury duck at same age

Yeah a Utility type show would be good, I'm not into showing but would enjoy that.
What have you got entered in the GYS ?

I've flirted with the idea of ducks and geese as I have too much grass this time of year them Muscovies sound tasty so maybe an idea for next year, I haven't done any pigs this year which has been a big miss and I'm adding Lambs next years so plenty of meat in the freezer to come  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 05, 2016, 09:37:56 pm
My main breed I am taking are silver kraienkoppe bantams they do pretty well at shows they have won a best rare in show the other year and got placed on another occasion.

I have just got 2 acres of land and should have some ryelands by end of month
Excited about it
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 05, 2016, 10:36:11 pm
Oh Ryelands are nice I think if I was breeding that would be my choice  :thumbsup:
Mine will be early spring lambs and in the freezer by October.

Don't think I've seen a bantam Silver Kraienkoppe  :thinking:
But I know the LF look a good meaty bird with a strong stature, would be an interesting addition to your meat project.

Ps, they are also beautiful birds  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 05, 2016, 10:38:39 pm
Oh Ryelands are nice I think if I was breeding that would be my choice  :thumbsup: sounds very exciting.
Mine will be early spring lambs and in the freezer by October as I don't want to keep them over the winter.

Don't think I've seen a bantam Silver Kraienkoppe  :thinking:
But I know the LF look a good meaty bird with a strong stature, would be an interesting addition to your meat project.

Ps, they are also beautiful birds  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 06, 2016, 09:54:46 pm
Pics
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 06, 2016, 09:55:36 pm
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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2016, 01:39:52 pm
There looking good Princess  :thumbsup:

Don't know what's going on with the pics on the forum, they are so small then you open them and Wow there to big , ha.

The LS look very nice types, I expected the IgxLs to look a bit gamier if you know what I mean, or is it just the pics ?

Will be weighing my Slow grow Gallic tonight when I get home.
Will post the results.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 07, 2016, 01:56:41 pm
Hi
They are growing nicely
To be fair I'm not sure how the IG x should look
But not that gamey like you say and seem to have taken on the LS stature
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2016, 06:08:58 pm
I know the Ig X La Bresse I saw last year just looked like White IG,
The colour of yours looks similar to a cross I did a few years back, Welsummer cock over LS hens, chicks were sex linked and laid very well, the hens were brown with black heckles.
I went on to cross Welsummer X Cukhoo Marans both from very dark laying strains, again the chicks were sex linked and there eggs were fantastic and lots more than either breed laid.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2016, 06:16:30 pm
The Sasso Gallic growers were 10 weeks yesterday.
The weight range is 2.24kg - 2.41kg that's from the 4 random birds I just cought.
With them being free range they are getting wiser each weigh in.

There faster than they look, ha.


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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 07, 2016, 09:26:01 pm
Looking good Dave
When will you cull
Nice weights those
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2016, 09:48:18 pm
Thanks Princess,

Well after the 8 week weigh in I was thinking of culling at 14 weeks as I was thinking they were running a little light.
But they seem to have pulled it back, so I guess in 2 or 3 weeks time.

I'm starting to look at the Cockerels as to which 2 I will keep, I have 8 to choose from and it's not easy with hybrid broilers , as heavy birds could get to big, go off there legs or just be to heavy for the lovin  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 08, 2016, 10:55:15 am
ye will be looking on with interest
i have for hybrid cocks to ci=ull in the next 5 weeks or so

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 08, 2016, 04:18:16 pm
What type of hybrids are they ?
Are you finishing them in any particular way to fatten them ?

My chicks in the brooder are 2 weeks now and there is some huge differences in sizes, I'm looking forward too getting them outside next weekend and getting some pics.

Think these are gona be big uns.  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 08, 2016, 04:27:50 pm
not sure to be honest i got them from a school project a few months ago for the brother in law but he didnt want cocks
i am not expecting alot of meat from them, they are 16 weeks old now

what chicks are 2 weeks old are they a different type of breed to your sasso gaelic
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 08, 2016, 05:21:59 pm
Are they free range or penned, if free range will be worth penning them and giving either a finishing pellets or keep them on growers and give extra mash potatoes and wet bread as a treat, I also feed mine a lot of corn the last 2 weeks. Everyone has there own methods.

My chicks are Sasso Farm Rangers, Guinea Fowl and a couple of Indian game, the FR should make 3.2kg in 14 weeks.
The plan is to keep FR hens for my Gallic Cockerels  :fc:

Then I will be self sufficient in meat birds.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 08, 2016, 05:51:20 pm
This was a Farm Rangers hen I kept back last year, sadly lost to a fox.
She was 21 weeks here and been laying like the clappers for 4 weeks.

She was very fit for a bird designed only to live for 12-14 weeks.

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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on July 08, 2016, 07:15:38 pm
she looks a little like a warren doesn't she?  but more meatier.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 08, 2016, 08:18:17 pm
They are penned mate seem to be growing well but expect another 6 weeks or so
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 08, 2016, 11:08:35 pm
The Sasso Gallic growers were 10 weeks yesterday.
The weight range is 2.24kg - 2.41kg that's from the 4 random birds I just cought.
With them being free range they are getting wiser each weigh in.

There faster than they look, ha.


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Beautiful birds! My sasso and Ross chicks are 1 week old today. They grow like stupid though!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2016, 01:23:24 pm
Thanks mate, what type of Sasso's have you got ?
I've also got som Sasso X431a Farm Rangers at 2 weeks, yes they look bigger every time I look in the brooder :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 09, 2016, 03:20:48 pm
I've been told (by piggotts hatchery) that they are red sasso S44. Couldn't see them on th3 sasso website so I'm not actually sure...
Most of them are r3d like yours but with black feathers on their wings. Obviously they are not fully fledged yet so not sure how they will look like once fully grown. I just r3ceived eggs of the pure indian game. I want to hatch some dorking as well.
Next year I will hopefully do my own crosses.
I was considering crossing sasso hens to indian game or dorking cock as well as some pure breed ones.
I never actually bred my own chickens (couldn't keep a cock), only muscovy ducks, normal ducks, geese and quail.
My two doe rabbits both gave birth on Thursday, so in two three months we are having loooool of meat coming. My muscovies should be ready for eating by then (about 6 weeks old now).
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2016, 05:30:18 pm
Sounds a good plan mate  :thumbsup:

They probably the same as my Sasso Farm Rangers the cockerels have black on there wings, most hatcheries keep the exact strain they sell a secret or give them there own name, like mine call them Farm Rangers, if you look on the Sasso website there's no Farm Rangers.
Will be good to see some pics of them when there out side and if you could let us know some weights as you go it would be really interesting for this thread.  :fc:

I'm also looking to put Indian game over mine next year so sound like your plan is similar to mine   :thumbsup:

I did rabbits a few years ago, did New Zeland Whites crossed with a blue Lion Head, sold the young for £20 each & what didn't sell got fattened for the table, problem was they always sold to pet homes  :D couldn't keep up with demand.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 09, 2016, 05:46:44 pm

I did rabbits a few years ago, did New Zeland Whites crossed with a blue Lion Head, sold the young for £20 each & what didn't sell got fattened for the table, problem was they always sold to pet homes  :D couldn't keep up with demand.
Really???
Where we are (Leicester) no on3 wants to buy rabbits. People give rabbits for free! I used to buy bunnies at the Melton Mowbray livestock market for £1-2! I have chinchilla, beveren and blue silver fox. No need zealand at the moment, but looking for does if anyone has some near us lol

As for the chickens I was also thinking of keeping red sasso cock for breeding. I'm not sure which breed to choose yet tbh. I'll decide once they grow bigger.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2016, 05:58:18 pm
Yes the first lot of rabbis we did were an accident  :innocent: put them up for £5, had a bloke on the phone asking if they were vaccinated and neutered, I said "what for £5"  :roflanim:
Anyway loads wanted them so we started selling on pets4homes they looked like giant Lionheads & people wanted them for house rabbits  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2016, 06:04:29 pm
I'm keeping 2 Gallic cockerels and 4 hens for breeding but I think I will only keep hens from the Farm Rangers as last year the Cockerels were too large by 14 weeks, they dressed out at 4.5kg - 5kg and had that Frankenstein walk about them so don't think they would be able to breed naturally.
So when I separate my 2 Gallic Cockerels they will be on a diet, ha.

So next year I will be looking at 4 batches.
Gallic X Gallic
Gallic X Farm Ranger
IG X Gallic
IG X Farm Ranger

I can then compare all breeds for size & finishing and best of all taste test  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2016, 06:17:32 pm
This is the Big fella that will be supplying the Indian Game side of the crosses.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1996477/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1996477/image.jpeg)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1996481/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1996481/image.jpeg)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 09, 2016, 07:01:09 pm
I got some Ross white footballs as well. They grow like idiots! I don't think there's any point of trying to keep those effort breeding. Have you ever tried it?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2016, 07:34:34 pm
There not my type of thing to be honest, I don't like the idea of them, but I can see why other do, nothing can convert food into meat quite like them.

Twice I had a few in my batch from the hatchery by accident.
Both times they got to about 8 weeks and went off there legs and it's not s pretty site.
What age are you processing them ?

I've heard of people starving the hens to get them to laying age then they will produce a good cross but seems excessive to me.
My Gallic and Farm Rangers that I keep back will go onto layers at about 12 weeks then maybe fed once in the morning and once at night free ranging the rest of the time to keep them breeding fit, but I think that's natural, starving them seems brutal to me.

But don't let me put you off  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 09, 2016, 09:11:34 pm
I get you...
I don't like them either. Only ordered some because my wife wanted white ones and also for comparison with the red ones.
One week old Ross are already much heavier then red sasso.
I wanted to post a picture but it says the file is too large... will try to convert it into a smaller one.
I'm taking a picture of red and white every Saturday of their life, 2 pics so far but you can already see a lot of difference. Didn't weigh them but the white ones are definitely significantly heavier with much wider breast.
By the way
I had 1 red and 4 white ones die! All on day 3
Also I do take their feeder away for the night, so they are only getting food for 12 hours a day.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 11, 2016, 08:57:16 am
HI
weighed in last night

spreadsheet attatched

all birds are now over 1kg at 9 weeks old
and had an average weight gain of 200g this week

bird 1105 still the top performer

i have added another small column to the spread and that is below each small box at the side
its the average weekly weight gain per breed just so i know how consistant the growth is between the 2 groups

i had good look at the birds at weekend and found that the IG X LS ar pretty much identical to the light sussex aprt from been brown where the white would be the shape is very similar although the legs on the IGx are thicker set overall they look in great condition
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 12, 2016, 02:22:11 pm
Again good info mate.  :thumbsup:

I think you've found your stud cockerel for the pure LS in 1105.
Well worth passing on his early maturity and 1100 might be worth keeping an eye on as well.

I would expect the Ig X LS to have a wider chest and more upright stature as well as thicker legs, this is normal traits passed down by IG  :thinking:

Did you see the IG cockerel that went into the cross ? Did he look similar to mine in shape (pic on last page) ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 12, 2016, 03:56:16 pm
I've been reading that cock passes he's mothers egg laying quantity to the offspring and the hen is responsible for the next generation's body conformation .
So if you want a meaty chickens use meaty hens and a cock which grows fast and lays a lot of eggs.
That's why it's a good idea to use indian game hens with a LS cock
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 12, 2016, 04:29:34 pm
thats what i will be doing with with my IG x LS hens puttng the back with LS cockerel
see how it goes

when you are selecting for breeding is it as simple as looking as going for the fastest cull weight in the fastest weight?

can you advise any literature to read cant see much online

thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 12, 2016, 04:30:48 pm
Macgro7, Yes I've heard that a lot but it also works very well IG cock over Duel purpose hen, the frame of the offspring should hold meat.
Maybe the egg laying might suffer though not sure.

If I can keep these Sasso Gallic cockerels alive long enough I would like to try it both ways and see for myself.

How's the chicks doing mate ?
Mine are in with 12 Guinea fowl Keets, I've heard nightmare story's about keeping them together, but so far so good.  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 12, 2016, 04:32:01 pm
Again good info mate.  :thumbsup:

I think you've found your stud cockerel for the pure LS in 1105.
Well worth passing on his early maturity and 1100 might be worth keeping an eye on as well.

I would expect the Ig X LS to have a wider chest and more upright stature as well as thicker legs, this is normal traits passed down by IG  :thinking:

Did you see the IG cockerel that went into the cross ? Did he look similar to mine in shape (pic on last page) ?


to be fair i didnt see him but i have seen the weights and the cull birds the guy is grahame belligton and hes on face book puts a few pictures up on the utitlity sites
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 12, 2016, 04:40:47 pm
thats what i will be doing with with my IG x LS hens puttng the back with LS cockerel
see how it goes

when you are selecting for breeding is it as simple as looking as going for the fastest cull weight in the fastest weight?

can you advise any literature to read cant see much online

thanks

Yeah there's not much info out there unfortunately.
If your not looking at colour, type, confirmation etc, then yes.
If you're just looking at improving maturity time & weight then that's the way to go, I read some studies from the USA saying you can improve a strain dramatically in about 3-5 generations, they were using low quality mass produce hatchery stock and trying to make it decent.
Personally I would say start with the best quality you can afford, it will save you years  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 12, 2016, 04:46:45 pm
i will look at the type and confirmation but colour LS are black and white right ha ha
i will be making a trio/quartet up and depending how they turn out
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 12, 2016, 06:48:35 pm
Haha,

Like the table bird saying goes

Who cares about the colour, you don't eat the feathers  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 12, 2016, 07:53:15 pm
Sasso and Ross at the age of two days:
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7496022/width/200/height/400)

The same chicks week later (today):
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7496023/width/200/height/400)

I think I will need to separate them into two brooder as they are running out of space

I am taking a new picture every Saturday
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 13, 2016, 05:32:54 pm
What finish time & weight did Piggotts recommend for the Sasso mate ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 13, 2016, 05:38:20 pm
Well the little meat balls in my brooder are 3 weeks now and feathering up nicely, so tomorrow I will be turning the heat lamp off during the day, I have been raising it every few days and it's never bothered them.

The plan is only have it on a night and then looking at the weather forecast they will be outside Sunday and from then on.  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 13, 2016, 06:57:14 pm
Hey Princess Ruby,

how's the great Yorkshire going ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 13, 2016, 10:28:16 pm
Not there until tomorrow
Looking forward to it
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 13, 2016, 11:03:00 pm
Good luck.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 13, 2016, 11:12:19 pm
Thanks it will be a tough show
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 14, 2016, 08:49:25 am
I bet it will  :fc:

We were hoping to go this year but ran out of time with work  :yuck:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 14, 2016, 08:51:00 am
WOW we are on Page 10  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 14, 2016, 08:52:57 am
What finish time & weight did Piggotts recommend for the Sasso mate ?
I don't think they recommended anything on their website. They said "slow growing".
Sasso recommend slow growing to take 12-14 weeks. In contrast to fast growing and medium growing.
My ones are two weeks old now and the white ones are significantly larger and already look like footballs. Red one have grown a lot as well but they look more like chickens.
I stopped using the lamp, instead I have the  eco glow chick brooder thing:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/eco-glow-20-hd501-chick-brooder/1972f (http://www.screwfix.com/p/eco-glow-20-hd501-chick-brooder/1972f)
It uses much less electricity and I think is safer to use.
It's supposed to be hot from this weekend so I might take my chicks outside for at least couple of hours. From three weeks old they should be able to go outside permanently, now compare it to chicks of "normal" chickens which take 6 weeks...
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 14, 2016, 09:05:12 am
They are probably the same as my Slow growth Gallic, which are 11 weeks now and about 2.5kg
My Farm Rangers in the brooder are classed as medium growth.

I always use a heat lamp but like the look of them chick brooders, do you add extra light as well ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 14, 2016, 09:28:49 am
I only bought it two weeks ago. It uses 20 watts comparing to 60 watt light bulb. I don't use any light now, but they are inside the house so they have day light. And no, we don't live in th3 same house as the stinky chickens. It's being renovated so we are staying somewhere else temporarily.
I'm gonna take some pics of the chicks when I'm back home. I want you to see their colour
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 15, 2016, 09:25:39 am
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7503567/width/200/height/400)
Broiler chicks outside for the first time
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7503568/width/200/height/400)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Stereo on July 15, 2016, 12:37:28 pm
The electric hens are very good. I have a few of the black ones in 50 size (the biggest) and 1 small Brinsea 20. I would recommend Brinsea to be honest as they run on 12v so probably safer. The black ones I have are 240v into the machine. Still cheap to run and had no issues but I think I will swap them for the big Brinsea ones next season. Fire risk being the main concern for me.

They work especially well for very young chicks if you get the height right as they can't stack up and smother each other like under a lamp if it's not quite warm enough. I have to say after maybe 50 hatches, I have lost only 1 or 2 chicks under these and they may have died anyway.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 16, 2016, 06:22:50 pm
Yes I think there possibly the way forward for me as well, I only use a heat lamp because I keep the chicks in a dimly lit hay barn so it works for heat & light but as you said there is the fire risk.
I suppose I could set up an electric hen in a chicken ark with an extension lead, they may feather quicker with being able to go out into the run.
 :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 16, 2016, 06:27:03 pm
Been busy finishing my Pheasant pens today so the chicks will be going outside tomorrow, weather looks good as well but it will be an operation as the ark there going into has my Buff Rocks in and before I more them I need to finish a repair job on a large house for them and the Gallic keepers and so on, ha.
They say it's good to be busy but I'm starting to wonder  :roflanim:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 17, 2016, 07:49:56 pm
Had a busy day today, choose the Gallic keepers 4 hens , 2 cockerels and moved them into another large pen after fitting a new window and low perches, they will free range when the others are processed.
The Buff rocks went in with them, there Ark was cleaned dusted and the Guinea fowl came out the brooder and went in there.
The Farm Ranger chicks went into another Ark also cleaned & dusted.

And all this with man flu  ::)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 17, 2016, 07:56:43 pm
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7503567/width/200/height/400)
Broiler chicks outside for the first time
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7503568/width/200/height/400)

Hard to tell from the pic but they look lighter in colour than mine.
Looking forward to seeing there progress and comparing them.
What you thinking of crossing them with again ?
Or are you keeping hens and Cockerels back ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 17, 2016, 08:12:28 pm
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7503567/width/200/height/400)
Broiler chicks outside for the first time
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7503568/width/200/height/400)

Hard to tell from the pic but they look lighter in colour than mine.
Looking forward to seeing there progress and comparing them.
What you thinking of crossing them with again ?
Or are you keeping hens and Cockerels back ?
I have indian game and dorking eggs in the incubator so depending on what hatches I'm planning to keep a trio of dorking and maybe indian game as well.
First I was gonna keep only the sasso but I might just keep couple of hens and cross them with dorking cock.
Not sure yet to be honest. Will see how once they are a bit bigger
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 17, 2016, 08:19:38 pm
Broiler chicks update. Two weeks old:
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7506492/width/200/height/400)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 17, 2016, 09:24:59 pm
Looking a nice shape pal  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 18, 2016, 09:06:50 am
there weighed in again last night

spreadsheet attactched


1105 is still the top bird although others are now gaining more weight per week
i also got a feeling that 1105 is actually a pullet but again a bit early to tell if this is confirmed then it throws some questions up

1100 and 1101 are also growing really well

the LS x IG are starting to catch up
they are currently eating around 1.25kg per day between them so roughly 100gs per day
over the week that ratio would be 1:3 WEIGHT TO FEED CONSUMPTION
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 18, 2016, 04:17:46 pm
Interesting results  :thumbsup:

I would say if all your IGxLS are brown they are all pullets, but only if they are crossed with the IG being the cock bird as they will be sex linked.
Any males would be white.

Would be interesting if the 1105 is a Pullet.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 18, 2016, 04:27:48 pm
FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER AND SPEAKING TO THE BREEDER I GOT THEM FROM THE
MALES IN THE IGX WHERE A BUFF COLOUR AND THE FEMALES HAD A DISTINCTIVE STRIPE DOWN THE HEAD A BIT LIKE THE LEGBARS
THAY ARE ALL BROWN BUT THREE HAVE DARK AROUND THERE NECK FEATHERS AND SOME DONT

THAT WAS HOW THEY HATCHED AND SO FITS INTO WHAT HE WAS SAYING

I WILL GET SOME PICTURES TONIGHT AND POST THEM ON HERE
THEY ARE STARTING TO GET THE SHAPE OF IG
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 18, 2016, 09:24:45 pm
10 weeks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 18, 2016, 09:28:39 pm
IG X
Male at back female front
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 19, 2016, 06:31:03 pm
If the Cock bird used was a Dark IG then crossed with a LS (silver hen) you would get sex linked chicks ie, males white, hens brown.
So wonder what's happened there then  :thinking: maybe the IG wasn't pure or could have been a Jubilee.

Anyway doesn't matter they look good strong stock  :thumbsup:
And the LS look nice big utility type.
Nice dark heckles as well  :thumbsup:

Are you still looking to process at 17-20 weeks ?
And what weight are you looking for?
 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 19, 2016, 10:43:13 pm
You know
What I think they are actually from a jubilee but couldn't be 100 percent

Yes I'm really impressed with the LS to be fair
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 19, 2016, 10:45:31 pm
If the Cock bird used was a Dark IG then crossed with a LS (silver hen) you would get sex linked chicks ie, males white, hens brown.
So wonder what's happened there then  :thinking: maybe the IG wasn't pure or could have been a Jubilee.

Anyway doesn't matter they look good strong stock  :thumbsup:
And the LS look nice big utility type.
Nice dark heckles as well  :thumbsup:

Are you still looking to process at 17-20 weeks ?
And what weight are you looking for?
Yes I am
Still looking at 17-20 weeks and looking for around 3.5k live weight maybe a little more
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 19, 2016, 10:46:33 pm
Can't you list the equipment you use and the method you use when cull

What type of knifes etc

Please
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 20, 2016, 09:55:26 pm
If the Cock bird used was a Dark IG then crossed with a LS (silver hen) you would get sex linked chicks ie, males white, hens brown.
So wonder what's happened there then  :thinking: maybe the IG wasn't pure or could have been a Jubilee.

Anyway doesn't matter they look good strong stock  :thumbsup:
And the LS look nice big utility type.
Nice dark heckles as well  :thumbsup:

Are you still looking to process at 17-20 weeks ?
And what weight are you looking for?
Yes I am
Still looking at 17-20 weeks and looking for around 3.5k live weight maybe a little more

That would be a good result  :thumbsup: will be interesting if there weight gain continues at the same rate or begins to fluctuate.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 20, 2016, 10:03:44 pm
Can't you list the equipment you use and the method you use when cull

What type of knifes etc

Please

If you google "butchering a chicken" in Utube you will get better information that off me, ha.
I normally only process once or twice a year so am pretty slow   :innocent:

I use the broomstick method for dispatch.
I dip in hot water before plucking and use surgical gloves for better grip.

The only tools I use are Kitchen shears for taking off the head and shortening the neck at the end.
The only other tool I use is a sharp Fillet knife.

I'm doing mine either this weekend or early next week so will tell you better then.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 20, 2016, 10:11:06 pm
Ye will keep an eye out on the weights if I still think they are gaining well I may leave them but if starts to level off then will start to finish them

I've watched plenty of videos on YouTube

Do you hang yours at all

I have 4 to do next week not expecting much off these mind

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 20, 2016, 10:33:47 pm
Yeah if the weight levels off it will give you the best time to process.
That's the problem when folk don't regularly weigh their birds it's all guess work.

Yes I kill and hang to let them bleed long enough to have a cup off tea then start plucking.

Got a mate who is a game dealer
Gona cheat and Try to use his plucker  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 20, 2016, 10:56:31 pm
I was planning on building one
Maybe use old washer or dryer drum
I was tempted to buy one that for on your drill
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 22, 2016, 09:15:14 am
Yeah me too, there looks like some good ones about.

I will have a look at what my game dealer mates is like and let you know.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 22, 2016, 11:04:06 am
Quick update -

I'm processing 6 Gallic this weekend, so interested to finally get them on the table, I'm happy with their shape and size but I will know more when I get a look at their carcass.
Hoping for. 2kg bird dressed but we will see, they are fit enough to keep for a larger bird but I need their pen for the next batch.
Here are a couple.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999617/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999617/image.jpeg)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999618/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999618/image.jpeg)

The Guinea Fowl Keets are 4 weeks and enjoying there outside run.
Although I'm not enjoying there morning song at 5am, ha.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999619/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999619/image.jpeg)

The Farm Rangers are also 4 weeks and growing like weeds.
The rare 2 headed chicken!


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999620/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999620/image.jpeg)

And a couple of IG hiding in there as well


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999621/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1999621/image.jpeg)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 23, 2016, 10:19:54 pm
Good luck
I've just had a look at the birds and looks like the IG x are starting to convert their feed be interesting to see what the weights are like tomorrow
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 24, 2016, 09:26:20 am
Chicks update. 3 weeks old and growing like stupid!
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7514318/width/200/height/400)
They were more interested in the camera though lol
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7514319/width/200/height/400)
They white ones are bigger and definitely plumper.
I'm pretty sure the read one in this pic is a girl as it's much lighter in colour than some other which have a lot of black and darker red feathers. Girls have more of salmon coloured feathering.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 24, 2016, 11:56:12 am
Yes I've found that with mine, the cockerels have darker feathers on there wings.

They look to be coming on well pal :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 24, 2016, 05:56:58 pm
Just been to see my mates old plucker that I'm using tomorrow night.
(Sounds a bit wrong) :innocent:

Think it's pre war  ;D

It uses a metal disc that rotates with groves in it which I guess grab the feathers  :thinking:

I will take a few pics tomorrow night if I remember, the weather looks warm which isn't ideal and I don't think I dare hang them anywhere at mine so it will be fully processed in one go.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 24, 2016, 10:28:40 pm
I've seen those wiz bang ones that are like a big drum with rubber fingers in that spins at bottom
Can pluck a full chicken wings in 30 seconds
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 24, 2016, 10:45:43 pm
I got a trio of 11 weeks old Red dorking (very rare) from a lovely couple in Skegness  (thanks very much, if you are reading this lol)
I'm planning to use them as Base for my meat chickens. Some pure dorking, some crossed with red sasso and perhaps layers (leghorn, welsummer).
On top of that we havr muscovy ducks and rabbits. That should keep us away from buying meat, except for lamb I suppose, untill we have more space to have our own.
I have three young West of England geese. Too nice to eat, but I'm not sure if I want to keep them so if anyone wants to buy them give me a call  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 25, 2016, 09:07:12 am
I've seen those wiz bang ones that are like a big drum with rubber fingers in that spins at bottom
Can pluck a full chicken wings in 30 seconds

Yes they are the ones I've seen they have a stationary drum with rubber prongs and inside is a rotary part also with prongs you just drop the chicken in and away you go.
also seen some with just the rotary part which runs off a drill, you just hold the bird and turn it by hand.

The one I'm using tonight is nothing like them ha, no rubber prongs just metal groves getting smaller.
Guess we will see tonight  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 25, 2016, 09:14:23 am
I got a trio of 11 weeks old Red dorking (very rare) from a lovely couple in Skegness  (thanks very much, if you are reading this lol)
I'm planning to use them as Base for my meat chickens. Some pure dorking, some crossed with red sasso and perhaps layers (leghorn, welsummer).
On top of that we havr muscovy ducks and rabbits. That should keep us away from buying meat, except for lamb I suppose, untill we have more space to have our own.
I have three young West of England geese. Too nice to eat, but I'm not sure if I want to keep them so if anyone wants to buy them give me a call  ;)

I love the Dorking and have been tempted many times, well done mate for finding some reds  :thumbsup:

Sound like some interesting projects you have going on.
Really looking forward to seeing how your Dorking X Sasso turn out.  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 25, 2016, 12:09:40 pm
Interestingly the pure dorking are quite large for their age. Obviously not as large as the commercial broilers but still quite meaty
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 25, 2016, 12:52:08 pm
How old are they ?
(Sorry I just read they are 11 weeks)  ::)

They will make a good table bird in there own right, you could try to breed for early maturity a bit like I'm going to start with next year with my pure IG.
Last year I got them to 2.3 kg in 16 weeks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 25, 2016, 03:34:48 pm
spread attacthed

dissapointed results this week but interesteing none the less average weight gain is over 100g less than the previous 2 weeks

this could have been the weather as there was some real hot days

i am predicting that if i get them gaining over 200g like the previous 2 weeks then i could be culling a 3kg bird at around 17 weeks

i feel that the IG could take a little longer maybe into the 20s

this also may indicate that the weights from the previous 2 weeks could have been growth spurts (a bit like a child has at certain stages of developement)  it will be interesting to see how that goes
and for future projescts to make make sure there is always plenty of feed (they get adlib anyway

shame you cant gat the colour pattern as you would see the patterns forming 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 25, 2016, 06:05:26 pm
How old are they ?
(Sorry I just read they are 11 weeks)  ::)

They will make a good table bird in there own right, you could try to breed for early maturity a bit like I'm going to start with next year with my pure IG.
Last year I got them to 2.3 kg in 16 weeks
They lady I got them from said she bought the parent stock from a man in Herefordshire who breeds the same line since 1970s and he said you can eat the cockerels at 12 weeks.
I just hope they grow up nicely, lay lots of eggs, go broody and raise a lot of chicks.
The broilers grow ridiculously fast. In little over three weeks they nearly went through 20kg of chicken crumbs. Still living in a chicken tractor but I can't wait to let them free range. Still too small for that though. I think buy the end of this week they will be fully feathered. Maybe then
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 25, 2016, 07:33:20 pm
Could do with these sure I could make one
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 25, 2016, 08:49:13 pm
That's a nice chicken! And The plucked.
The proper one like that cost £900!!!! A bit too much for me...
Shall I tell you a secret? I usually don't pluck chickens - instead just take the skin off lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 25, 2016, 09:31:55 pm
It's not mine either ha
Got to have skin too much flavour to waste ha

I was thinking a from of a washing machine or dryer fixed to a frame and motor
Makes it a lot easier
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 26, 2016, 10:50:06 am
Btw that lady I got my dorkings off also has  beautiful Lincolnshire buff chickens.
What do you think about breeding them for meat?
They were originally egg + meat chickens. They are supposed to be fast growing
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 26, 2016, 11:11:31 am
they look lovely birds i take it they derive from buff orpimgtons
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 26, 2016, 11:41:23 am
how did you find the lady i may be interested in getting some lincolnshire buffs
cheers
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 26, 2016, 12:18:30 pm
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/115323844/lincolnshire-buff-youngsters.html?link=%2Fsearch%3Fkeyword%3DLincolnshire%2Bbuff%26sectionId%3D2188 (http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/115323844/lincolnshire-buff-youngsters.html?link=%2Fsearch%3Fkeyword%3DLincolnshire%2Bbuff%26sectionId%3D2188)

She's in Skegness
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 26, 2016, 01:13:29 pm
thanks
i think im heading down there in october
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 26, 2016, 01:21:21 pm
Great. Message her so she keeps some for you.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 01:54:58 pm
spread attacthed

dissapointed results this week but interesteing none the less average weight gain is over 100g less than the previous 2 weeks

this could have been the weather as there was some real hot days

i am predicting that if i get them gaining over 200g like the previous 2 weeks then i could be culling a 3kg bird at around 17 weeks

i feel that the IG could take a little longer maybe into the 20s

this also may indicate that the weights from the previous 2 weeks could have been growth spurts (a bit like a child has at certain stages of developement)  it will be interesting to see how that goes
and for future projescts to make make sure there is always plenty of feed (they get adlib anyway

shame you cant gat the colour pattern as you would see the patterns forming

Hi, yes very interesting again  :thumbsup: I alway look at your spreadsheet on my laptop to see the colour pattern it makes more sense that way  :thumbsup:

Your 1105 & 1106 are constant proformers and definitely have something special about them.

I think 3kg in 17 weeks might be a big ask but dam right I'm routing for you girl  :fc: :thumbsup:

Like you say they have gone through a growth spurt and being building frame, now they have to put meat on it. Will be an interesting 6 weeks or so coming up.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 01:59:49 pm
It's not mine either ha
Got to have skin too much flavour to waste ha

I was thinking a from of a washing machine or dryer fixed to a frame and motor
Makes it a lot easier

I sometimes skin if the birds are small and not worth the bother, then just take the breast & legs, also do the same with game.

You can download plans to make a plucker on internet, normally a plastic 45 gal drum with stationary rubber fingers or prongs around the sides and a rotary base with rubber fingers on it.

You can also pick up an attachment that fits into a pistol drill on eBay for about £20.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 02:07:48 pm
Btw that lady I got my dorkings off also has  beautiful Lincolnshire buff chickens.
What do you think about breeding them for meat?
They were originally egg + meat chickens. They are supposed to be fast growing

I looked into getting some back in March, spoke to the LB society and on there website found 4 or 5 guys with birds for sale, some said they now have a lot of Orpington blood back in them so are not the table bird they once were, also due to a small gene pool the fertility isn't good.
I have contacts for 3 breeders around the Grimsby area if you would like them.

I then went down the Buff rock route, looks like I have 4 cockerels and 1 hen,  :yuck:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 04:36:46 pm
Got the use of this plucking machine yesterday


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To be honest it didn't work as well as I hoped.
Only took the larger feathers off and left about half to pluck by hand.
So still took me 2 hours to pluck 6 birds.  :-[

With the weather cooling a bit I left them to hang and will draw them tonight.
Will let you know the weights when I get finished.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 26, 2016, 09:24:33 pm
spread attacthed

dissapointed results this week but interesteing none the less average weight gain is over 100g less than the previous 2 weeks

this could have been the weather as there was some real hot days

i am predicting that if i get them gaining over 200g like the previous 2 weeks then i could be culling a 3kg bird at around 17 weeks

i feel that the IG could take a little longer maybe into the 20s

this also may indicate that the weights from the previous 2 weeks could have been growth spurts (a bit like a child has at certain stages of developement)  it will be interesting to see how that goes
and for future projescts to make make sure there is always plenty of feed (they get adlib anyway

shame you cant gat the colour pattern as you would see the patterns forming

Hi, yes very interesting again  :thumbsup: I alway look at your spreadsheet on my laptop to see the colour pattern it makes more sense that way  :thumbsup:

Your 1105 & 1106 are constant proformers and definitely have something special about them.

I think 3kg in 17 weeks might be a big ask but dam right I'm routing for you girl  :fc: :thumbsup:

Like you say they have gone through a growth spurt and being building frame, now they have to put meat on it. Will be an interesting 6 weeks or so coming up.
Probably a good time to tell you I'm a bloke ha
The princess is my niece ha
Sorry about that
Ye I'm thinking it will be longer I was reading up on the utility LS and males should be reaching 9lb (4kg) and females 7lb (3.1kg) so should really target them regardless of how long it takes
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 09:51:54 pm
 :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Well What do we call you now then mate   :innocent:

Yeh I had a full size LS which made about 12lb but it took about a year.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 10:10:39 pm
Well quick round up of my 12 week old Sasso Gallic boys that got the short straw.

Removed food Sunday night, water Monday afternoon.
Used a killing cone for the first time which I found very good and will using them again.
Used my mates old plucking machine which wasn't the best so took about 2 hours to pluck, then hung for 24 hours.

Drew the birds tonight which were very clean with good offal, went well and took under an hour.

Lowest dressed weight 1.89kg
Highest dressed weight 2.12kg

So happy with that, bring on the next batch.


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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 26, 2016, 10:35:50 pm
:roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Well What do we call you now then mate   :innocent:

Yeh I had a full size LS which made about 12lb but it took about a year.

Ryan
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 26, 2016, 10:40:16 pm
Nice weights that mate
And pretty consistant with each other
Good job
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2016, 11:08:16 pm
Thanks mate

Looking forward to seeing if they breed true  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 28, 2016, 12:06:13 pm
Here we go again, This is the next batch

I have Farm Rangers and a few Indian game in there.
They are 5 weeks old and about ready for a larger pen.
Will b weighing them next week.


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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 28, 2016, 06:37:29 pm
Looking well

I'm going to be doing a couple of my other cockerels this weekend

I don't really want to hang them as I feel it's too warm

Would it be ok to pluck and draw it then let it rest in fridge for a few days in a freezer bag?

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 28, 2016, 08:37:47 pm
Yeah totally fine  :thumbsup:
It works on a bigger the bird the longer you hang them basis, so light birds don't really need it anyway.

For lighter birds I normally skin them and take the breasts and legs, takes about 2 mins a bird.
Only downside is you don't get the nice crispy skin  :yum:

I find bigger birds much easier to draw, big hands small birds are a bit of a pain.

How are your LS and IG X LS starting to feel I know there putting weight on nicely but are they feeling meaty ?

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 28, 2016, 08:44:32 pm
Ye to be fair the probably have a bit more than my 20 week olds ha
Although as its first time not really sure how it should feel
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 29, 2016, 12:14:26 pm
With my IG and hybrids you can always feel the meat on the breast, wide and full.
Traditional breeds and crosses are not as obvious but you don't want to be feeling to much breast bone if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 29, 2016, 01:10:33 pm
ye i get what you mean


i will give it a blast although i may leave them another week or so to fill out some more
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 29, 2016, 04:21:26 pm
That can be the trouble with the lighter breeds, you feed & feed them and they don't get any fatter  :D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 29, 2016, 05:06:05 pm
i think i will look into getting some faster growers, next year as well as breeding the light sussex
might look at your sassos
have you eaten one yet?
hows the flavour

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 29, 2016, 05:09:13 pm
i have also bought 2 bookks from amazon

one of fred hams "old poultry breeds" 1p +P&P

and another off different author

"british poultry breeds" helps you to select your breeding stock

less than £10 for both

suppose the problem always start sourcing the right stock

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 29, 2016, 06:21:49 pm
Have you thought of joining a breed society?
If you join the dorking club you can access details of all the society members, I. E. All dorking breeders. Membership is £7 per year.
I assume the same with other breed societies.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 29, 2016, 08:32:46 pm
Ye but on top of the rare breed society and the PCGB the money soon adds up ha
I may join something like light Sussex one but I only want it for utility and not shows
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 29, 2016, 08:43:38 pm
i think i will look into getting some faster growers, next year as well as breeding the light sussex
might look at your sassos
have you eaten one yet?
hows the flavour

Not yet gona defrost one for Sunday dinner I like to leave it a few days to get it out of my head if you know what I mean, I enjoy them better.

I'm hoping these Sasso Gallic breed fairly true and I will have some good crosses next year with Sasso Gallic X Farm Ranger as well as IG crossed with both of them and pure IG which I will be trying to improve maturity on.

Any of my creations I always like to share with likeminded folk incase of any accidents, so if you want any  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 29, 2016, 10:10:17 pm
Comparing to white standard Ross, the sasso are roughly the same size except less round.
Looking at their colours they have quite a variety of breeds in them. Some have the patterns like the light sussex but definitely with rhode island red are probably indian game in them. Probably more
I really can't wait to cross them next year to the dorking.
Also can't wait untill next Saturday when I'm expecting silver dorking and indian game to hatch!
I counted my birds the other day - 54! Way too many for now. Need to sell some ducks and trio of West of England geese. Or even better fatten them up and put in the freezer in couple of weeks ????
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 29, 2016, 10:59:22 pm
Yes I understand
I will have some light Sussex to swap ha
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 29, 2016, 11:00:54 pm
Comparing to white standard Ross, the sasso are roughly the same size except less round.
Looking at their colours they have quite a variety of breeds in them. Some have the patterns like the light sussex but definitely with rhode island red are probably indian game in them. Probably more
I really can't wait to cross them next year to the dorking.
Also can't wait untill next Saturday when I'm expecting silver dorking and indian game to hatch!
I counted my birds the other day - 54! Way too many for now. Need to sell some ducks and trio of West of England geese. Or even better fatten them up and put in the freezer in couple of weeks ????

Where abouts are you I got a mate after a pai of geese
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 29, 2016, 11:20:28 pm
I'm in Leicester
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 30, 2016, 09:44:17 am
I'm in Leicester
In Leeds bit too far
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 30, 2016, 06:46:06 pm
Comparing to white standard Ross, the sasso are roughly the same size except less round.
Looking at their colours they have quite a variety of breeds in them. Some have the patterns like the light sussex but definitely with rhode island red are probably indian game in them. Probably more
I really can't wait to cross them next year to the dorking.
Also can't wait untill next Saturday when I'm expecting silver dorking and indian game to hatch!
I counted my birds the other day - 54! Way too many for now. Need to sell some ducks and trio of West of England geese. Or even better fatten them up and put in the freezer in couple of weeks ????

They sound like my Farm Rangers they have much more pattern on them than last year and I've never seen anything eat like them, I gave my Sasso Gallic free lib with the food but don't think I will be able to with these FR, will have to keep the hens fit for breeding  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 30, 2016, 06:46:27 pm
The Sasso Gallic I kept back for breeding and the Buff Rocks all went into a larger permanent house last week.
Let them back out to free range today.

Gallic Pullets

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Buff Rocks at the back
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This Gallic Pullet is a very nice Salmon colour
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I have high hopes for this cockerel over the Farm ranger hens

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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 31, 2016, 08:41:01 pm
Tried the first chicken for our dinner tonight.
Had us 5 and Dad over and it tasted lovely, loads of flavour, plenty of breast meat and went down well with a bottle of red.


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Very pleased with the end result.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 31, 2016, 08:48:40 pm
Had some decent results this week
All gained over 200g
The light Sussex all but 1 weighed over 300g this week and a one hitting the 380g mark
I will put spreadsheet up tomorrow
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on July 31, 2016, 08:49:42 pm
Tried the first chicken for our dinner tonight.
Had us 5 and Dad over and it tasted lovely, loads of flavour, plenty of breast meat and went down well with a bottle of red.

Looks gorgeous

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Very pleased with the end result.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 01, 2016, 02:44:56 pm
UPDATED SPREADSHEET WITH SEPRATE TABS AT THE BOTTOM WITH DIFFERENT BREEDS

WARNING COLOUR OVERLOAD BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE KEY AT THE SIDE IT ALL MAKES SENSE


WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT BIRD 1100 LIGHT SUSSEX THAT IS A TOP PERFORMER IN THE OVERALL SPREADSHEET IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LOWER PERFORMERS AGAINST IS OWN BREED GROUP

AND BIRD 1108 LS X IG THAT IS A LOW PERFORMER IN THE OVERALL IS ACTUALLY A TOP PERFORMER AMONGST ITS OWN BREED GROUP

ONCE I HAVE FULLY SEXED THEM ALL I WILL CREATE 2 SMALLER CHARTS TO IDENTIFY THE BEST MALES AND FEMALES FROM EACH GROUP

AGAIN THE FEMALE AVERAGE DIFFERENCES WILL BE DIFFERENT WHILST IN THE SAME GROUP AS THE MALES
I AM CONSIDERING  DELETING THE OVERALL SPREAD AS IT DOESNT GIVE ME THE TOTALL ACCURATE DATA

I ALSO WEIGHED A COUPLE OF MUSCOVY MALES YESTERDAY AND AT 4 WEEKS ARE ALREADY OVER 1KG 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 01, 2016, 06:01:34 pm
Looks like your very much back on track  :thumbsup: I bet the slightly lower increase you ha was down to the hot weather.

That's some outstanding weight on the Muscovy Ducks are they always that big ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 01, 2016, 06:55:41 pm
Yes they are!
I have muscovies too! They are definitely better meat producers than old pure breeds of chickens!
They always go broody, sometimes raise 2-3 broods a year. Fantastic meat, more like lamb or veal than duck.
And they have proper meaty breast like turkey or broiler chicken.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 01, 2016, 08:20:01 pm
They are big going to start weighing them soon
they have had about 2/3 bag of chick crumb so not bad got 12 ducklings
I thought the meat tastes like steak hardly any fat on them
Macgro what do you feed them on after crumb
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 01, 2016, 09:21:59 pm
To be honest my ducklings run free range with their mother since they were about 1 week old. Which means they eat the same food as everyone else (muscovy drake and ducks, geese and chickens), I. E. Layers pellets, a bit of wheat and oats and kitchen left overs. They also have access to a compost pile and a brook.
I border a council allotment site and my ducklings were going there every day to look for slugs with their mum untill the allotment people started complaining and I had to block the hole in the fence lol
Now they learnt to go in the brook and swim away for hours, looking for insects and other little creatures.
That's why I love muscovies!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 01, 2016, 10:36:22 pm
Yes they are and imprint well
My ducklings follow my daughter all over but you can tell the sizes at a day or so old
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 02, 2016, 07:38:42 pm
Weighed the Sasso Farm Rangers today at 6 weeks they average 1.36kg 
Which is about 300g more than my Sasso Gallic did at that age.


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Check out his blue eyes  :eyelashes:

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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 02, 2016, 10:43:19 pm
They are big weights
Almost bigger than my LS X Indian game at 12 weeks old ha
Are they something you have breed yourself
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 02, 2016, 10:45:15 pm
I'm contemplating getting another foundation trio/pair of dual traditional breed not sure what to get yet
Any suggestions

I like the idea of the faster growing birds also
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 03, 2016, 10:02:24 am
I'm contemplating getting another foundation trio/pair of dual traditional breed not sure what to get yet
Any suggestions

I like the idea of the faster growing birds also
Dorking, ixworth, la bresse?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 03, 2016, 11:58:18 am
i like the silver dorking they look alot like my silver kraienkoppe bantams

they look a nice hefty bird

i would then the year after bring in an indian game cockerel and run a trio of LS, SD AND IG X LS/DS

SHOULD GIVE ME PLENTY OF MEAT
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2016, 06:23:36 pm
They are big weights
Almost bigger than my LS X Indian game at 12 weeks old ha
Are they something you have breed yourself

Yes these are eating machines.
They are from Sasso a French company who are specialist in free range hybrids, the Farm Rangers are medium growth which means the eat more, free range a bit less but dress out at big weights I kept 2 up to 4-5kg last year, the only problem is if you are looking for a sustainable flock they are different keeping them fit enough to breed from, there either to big or have a heart attack.
Something to think about Macgro7 I'm putting the hens I keep back on a strict diet as soon as I separate them from the freezer gang.
The hens are not to bad but the cockerels are massive by 16 weeks.

The Sasso Gallic I keep are slow growth so they are much healthier which is why I've kept back hens and cockerels, the cockerels will also be used in the Farm Ranger breeding pen which I have very high hopes of breeding something special  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2016, 06:32:29 pm
I'm contemplating getting another foundation trio/pair of dual traditional breed not sure what to get yet
Any suggestions

I like the idea of the faster growing birds also
Dorking, ixworth, la bresse?

I've tried most of them and to be honest I found them lacking, I think La Bresse were about the best and the ones I had were huge but still very slow maturing.
The Americans swear by the New Hampshire Reds for fast maturity but it's difficult to find good utility stock over here.
And everything seems slow compared to the hybrids.

The pure IG are worth working on, the ones I hatched last year made 2.3kg in 16 weeks live, so would have had a 2kg dressed bird by 20 weeks.
Also with the IG it's the shape that's the best, as if you dress a bird at say 1.5kg the IG will have the same wide breasted shape which holds a lot of meat on it, something else like say an Ixworth at 1.5kg will be all frame & no meat on the breast.

But if these Sasso Gallic breed true they will take some beating as a duel purpose bird.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 03, 2016, 09:21:18 pm
I wanted to get la bresse this spring but got everything else instead lol
Broilers growing like mad! Eating like pigs! I'll separate the white Ross from the sasso this weekend. Sasso will go to free range and Ross will stay in the chicken tractor and will be fattened up for the next two weeks. Untill they are 7 weeks old and then will go to the freezer.
I'm very pleased with my dorkings so far. Obviously they are only 12 weeks old but you can see there will be meat on them. Already nearly the size of adult welsummer hen.
U know a lot of first broilers in this country were based on indian game crossed with dorking. It must be a good cross... or so I hope....
Anyway, this weekend I'm expecting silver dorkings and indian game to hatch  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2016, 09:54:13 pm
Yes they will make some nice crosses looking forward to seeing them, they will make some nice sizes and some excellent flavour  :thumbsup:
Will you be hatching any more batches after them ?

Good luck with the hatch mate.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 03, 2016, 10:02:13 pm
I wanted to get la bresse this spring but got everything else instead lol
Broilers growing like mad! Eating like pigs! I'll separate the white Ross from the sasso this weekend. Sasso will go to free range and Ross will stay in the chicken tractor and will be fattened up for the next two weeks. Untill they are 7 weeks old and then will go to the freezer.
I'm very pleased with my dorkings so far. Obviously they are only 12 weeks old but you can see there will be meat on them. Already nearly the size of adult welsummer hen.
U know a lot of first broilers in this country were based on indian game crossed with dorking. It must be a good cross... or so I hope....
Anyway, this weekend I'm expecting silver dorkings and indian game to hatch  :fc:
I will keep an eye out with interest
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2016, 10:03:21 pm
My a Farm Rangers are goin into there big grow out pen tomorrow night as there tractor isn't big enough for 13 of them now.

Are you looking to keep both hens and Cockerels back mate or just hens to cross with your Dorking cockerels?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 04, 2016, 07:41:44 am
Probably the last hatch for this year.
I don't think I would be keeping any more cockerels l. Just a couple of hens
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 04, 2016, 09:11:34 am
I like the idea of keeping a Farm Ranger cockerel but fear it will go off its legs, if there is a light one I might be tempted to give it a try  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: shari on August 06, 2016, 08:34:29 am
Hi Dave

This thread is so useful! I am planning the same. I have Ixworth hens that are coming into lay and the Sasso Slow Growers (sorry don't know the exact specification but they look exactly like yours) who are 12 weeks now. This morning one of my Sasso cockerels crowed. He is quite chunky, but shows all signs of normal cockerel behaviour (more than the others), so I am thinking he might be a good choice to cross with my Ixworth. Obviously, I am also worried he might not make it and am thinking I might feed him differently and put him together with the Ixworth hens now.

I am also going to try it the other way round, get some Sasso hens to lay and breed with my Ixworth cockerel.

I had all my Sasso free ranging without a pen until a few days ago. Now I think it is time to get some more weight on and was wondering what you feed them to get them table ready? (Sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't read all 16 pages of theís thread!)

Thanks
Shari

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 06, 2016, 03:46:41 pm
The last two weeks before slaughter I m planning to feed my ones just wheat or oats.
The reason why you don't want to feed them growers pellets before slaughter is that the pellets have fish oils and vitamins etc which make the meat taste fishy
the last two weeks or so you want to feed them either finisher pellets or even better corn. But the problem in this country is that when you buy mixed corn it's mostly wheat. Bag is mixed corn costs £7.85 and 20kg bag of wheat is just £5
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 06, 2016, 10:01:09 pm
Hi Dave

This thread is so useful! I am planning the same. I have Ixworth hens that are coming into lay and the Sasso Slow Growers (sorry don't know the exact specification but they look exactly like yours) who are 12 weeks now. This morning one of my Sasso cockerels crowed. He is quite chunky, but shows all signs of normal cockerel behaviour (more than the others), so I am thinking he might be a good choice to cross with my Ixworth. Obviously, I am also worried he might not make it and am thinking I might feed him differently and put him together with the Ixworth hens now.

I am also going to try it the other way round, get some Sasso hens to lay and breed with my Ixworth cockerel.

I had all my Sasso free ranging without a pen until a few days ago. Now I think it is time to get some more weight on and was wondering what you feed them to get them table ready? (Sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't read all 16 pages of theís thread!)

Thanks
Shari

Hi Shari, nice to see you back :thumbsup:

I'm pleased you find the thread useful, you should join in more with the crack, we all interested in your table birds  ;D

My slow grows are actually Sasso T551 but I just call them Gallic.

At 12 weeks mine were ready for freezer camp but I kept back all 4 hens and 2 of the lightest weight cockerels with good movement which I hope will survive to breed.
I then put them straight on layers pellets which are much less fattening and kept them free ranging to keep them fit.

Like Macgro7 said I also feed the last 2 weeks different but I feed mixed corn bread and baked potatoes.

Put up some pics of your birds would be great to see them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 06, 2016, 10:32:19 pm
Forgot to mention  :-[
I think the Sasso Ixworth will be a good cross  :thumbsup:

Will be very interesting to see how the crosses differ each way round.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 07, 2016, 04:06:55 pm
Guess what we having for dinner again  :excited:
I'm loving these Sasso Gallic chickens. 


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2003538/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2003538/image.jpeg)

Hopefully not as well done as the last   :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: shari on August 07, 2016, 08:38:19 pm
Yum!  :chook:
At what weight did you cull ? I think mine are not ready yet because they have been free ranging away from the feeder a lot until I put them in the pen. Also, I am feeding organic pellets which are not as high in protein as other non-organic feed. I am hoping that this slow growth approach might actually help with getting them to reproduce.  :fc:

Here are some of my boys.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 07, 2016, 10:26:09 pm
I weight mine at 10 weeks and they were 2.5kg at that point they were free ranging, I then penned them and put them on mixed corn and anything that encouraged them to eat more.

If your looking to keep some back for breeding I would separate them, putting the breeders then on layers pellets and free ranging them and the freezer campers in a finishing pen and on a finishers ration what ever you choose.

They look more like my Sasso X431A Farm Rangers which last year I didn't process until 14-16 weeks but were very large birds.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 08, 2016, 08:59:12 pm
Out of six silver dorking eggs only 1 hatched. That's was Friday.  Today in the morning it was dead. Sooooooo disappointed.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 08, 2016, 09:27:23 pm
Oh no mate that's bad crack.
How did you get on with the other breeds ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: shari on August 08, 2016, 10:01:03 pm
Sorry to hear that, that's a shame!

Dave, do you remember at what age the Sasso X431A Farm Rangers hens could potentially start laying? And what weight were the non-layers when they were ready for the freezer?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 08, 2016, 11:11:56 pm
I processed the cockerels at about 16 weeks and they made 4.5 - 5kg

The hens were also impressive and started laying massive eggs at 17 weeks.

The ones I have now are nearly 7 weeks and looking quite good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 09, 2016, 04:40:59 pm
heres the spreadsheet

not the best weight gains again but weigh gains none the less

spreadsheet attactched

LS are still performing the better

i think 9 am going to seperate them the 2 breeds this evening this may give the LS cross a kick they need

i am also thinking of upping the protien and going for turkey finnishers

what do people think

thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 10, 2016, 07:01:56 pm
I think it's normal for traditional breeds to slow on the weight gain as most of there weight is frame not always meat.

A good quality finisher will help.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 11, 2016, 01:54:10 pm
I have separated the groups into 2 pens once this feed runs down I'm going to put them on a higher protein ration
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 11, 2016, 08:40:57 pm
Will be interesting to see if that changes anything  :thumbsup:

I'm away early next week but going to try and weigh the Buff rocks cockerels.
They've really disappointed me and to be honest and if there's no improvement there going, just not worth the feed and you get to the point when it's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 11, 2016, 11:17:15 pm
Out of six silver dorking eggs only 1 hatched. That's was Friday.  Today in the morning it was dead. Sooooooo disappointed.

Did you have other breeds in there ?
If so what did you end up with ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 12, 2016, 07:39:10 am
Out of six silver dorking eggs only 1 hatched. That's was Friday.  Today in the morning it was dead. Sooooooo disappointed.

Did you have other breeds in there ?
If so what did you end up with ?
I had indian game. None hatched.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 12, 2016, 09:18:48 am
Oh no mate bet your gutted  !!!

I had a really bad hatch on my last batch of IG only getting 2 but that was down to Incy problems.

I've put 24 IG eggs in Wednesday so hoping for some better results  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 12, 2016, 07:38:52 pm
Those were all ebay eggs...
No more ebay eggs. If they were my own eggs I'm sure many would hatch.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 13, 2016, 07:09:38 pm
Normally I would be able to sort you out with IG but I'm replenishing stock this year, but hopefully I will have enough chicks after this next hatch  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 14, 2016, 10:58:51 am
14 weeks old
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 14, 2016, 11:00:34 am
IG X
They do seem to have grown a bit now they are separated from the others
Seem to be filling out
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 14, 2016, 03:33:54 pm
Hi all.
I'm following this topic with interest as it's my project for next year. I've some true utility line light sussex (Hams/Smith) now 3 weeks old and some indian game (from ebay eggs 6 from 12 eggs and 1 from 11 eggs) now 10 and 7 weeks old.

i think 9 am going to seperate them the 2 breeds this evening this may give the LS cross a kick they need
I have separated the groups into 2 pens
Did you separate these growers by breed or by sex?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 14, 2016, 04:26:47 pm
I split into breeds
I tried weighing today but scales where playing up

I have hams lines
Be interesting to know who smith is please

Is it your first time with them?


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 14, 2016, 06:19:13 pm
Yes, this is the first time with utility light sussex.
I purchased a breeding trio of utility birds (Hams bred cockerel onto Smith bred pullets) and have, 3 weeks ago, hatched 13 live chicks from 14 fertile eggs. I have also been in contact with Graham Bellingham with regards to purchasing hatching eggs from his Fred Hams line early in 2017.

I'm told that Nick Smith (http://www.practicalpoultry.com/news/303-sussex-supremo-retires (http://www.practicalpoultry.com/news/303-sussex-supremo-retires)) and Fred Hams are/have been the leading light in utility light sussex breeding for many years.

The reason I asked the initial question about separating the growers by breed or by sex, was that 2 of the chicks in your 2nd photo this morning seem to have pea combs and blotchier feather markings, which could suggest they are IGxLS males.

My intention was to use a jubilee indian game cockerel over light sussex pullets to produce a white feathered bird which looks cleaner when dressed, but of my indian game chicks which hatched from 2 different sources, the 2 dark indian game growers were over 200g heavier each than the jubilee and blue chicks at 9 weeks. Is there a growth pattern amongst the 3 colours, or just the way it's happened with these few?

Keep up the good work, as I'm sure there are quite a few of us watching from the wings. 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 14, 2016, 07:28:26 pm
That explains a lot actually I was inspecting them 2 days ago and had a feeling I had missed judged the birds as I hatched all together, I was querying the combs myself combs
My first time with meat birds and got these off graham Bellingham
So will all the brown birds be pullets

Well that's interesting all my spreadsheets are wrong ha ha ????????
Not to worry I will re-calculate it


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 14, 2016, 07:46:03 pm
I was merely asking and certainly not telling you about your own birds.

I'm also new to this and believe Graham Bellingham would be the person to ask about feather colouring and combs on the offspring from this cross, but yes, I would expect the cockerels from a dark indian game x light sussex to be white and the pullets to be brown, both with pea combs and the sussex black neck and tail, but I can't tell you for certain that it will happen like that.

Don't recalculate anything until you know for sure.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 14, 2016, 09:02:29 pm
No I won't but it will be interesting to know I have messaged Grahame
If correct then the IGx that I didn't think was doing OK are actually doing pretty well ha

I'm happy you mentioned it to be honest
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 14, 2016, 11:50:01 pm
Seems you was right
They can be crosses
Thanks for bringing it up

It makes me more positive about the weights

Thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Victorian Farmer on August 15, 2016, 12:09:18 am
John leach  utility roads and  shaws trap tested flok .will give you size .Its important to no egg numbers . I'm glad that you are getting results .As most no iv done most breeds for meat and eggs .But naw I give half a way to get them dressed .Nothing better than own chickin.keep up the good work .
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 15, 2016, 09:06:21 am
I was merely asking and certainly not telling you about your own birds.

I'm also new to this and believe Graham Bellingham would be the person to ask about feather colouring and combs on the offspring from this cross, but yes, I would expect the cockerels from a dark indian game x light sussex to be white and the pullets to be brown, both with pea combs and the sussex black neck and tail, but I can't tell you for certain that it will happen like that.

Don't recalculate anything until you know for sure.

I seem to remember saying that about 5 pages ago  :innocent:  :D

Will make your spreadsheet look better  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 15, 2016, 09:15:09 am

My intention was to use a jubilee indian game cockerel over light sussex pullets to produce a white feathered bird which looks cleaner when dressed, but of my indian game chicks which hatched from 2 different sources, the 2 dark indian game growers were over 200g heavier each than the jubilee and blue chicks at 9 weeks. Is there a growth pattern amongst the 3 colours, or just the way it's happened with these few?

Keep up the good work, as I'm sure there are quite a few of us watching from the wings.

Hi Snowyriver, I would say your right about the Darks being larger than jubilees and I've heard it said on other IG discussion sites before.
I don't have much experience with the blues but have some chicks coming through now so will let you know how they measure up  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 15, 2016, 12:37:34 pm
Yes you did Dave I suppose I lost my trail of thought
My results are a lot more satisfying now ha
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 16, 2016, 09:27:48 am
So are all of your IG X LS growers Pullets ?
Would have been nice to have some cockerels to compare weights against you pure LS.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 16, 2016, 08:38:42 pm
So are all of your IG X LS growers Pullets ?
Would have been nice to have some cockerels to compare weights against you pure LS.

Hi Dave
I weighed the birds last night but not had chance to update sheet as yet but I will mark on the sheet what sex etc they are

The original 5 IG X on the spread are all pullets
And all the birds marked LS are males

1105 is the Light Sussex male

Phew if that makes sense

I've found that now the cocks and pullets are split up the seem to be doing better
Spread will be up shortly
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 18, 2016, 11:05:29 pm
THIS IS LAST WEEKS RESULTS TOOK A WHILE TO REFORMAT ALL THE SPREADSHEET

I HAVE SPLIT INTO 2 SEPARATE SPREADS MALES AND FEMALES

ITS ABIT MORE SIMPLE

HAPPY READING
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 19, 2016, 06:35:56 pm
How many pure LS and how many IG x LS fertile eggs did you incubate in the first place?
With only 2 pure LS growers, was it poor fertility or did they die in the shell?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 19, 2016, 09:00:03 pm
How many pure LS and how many IG x LS fertile eggs did you incubate in the first place?
With only 2 pure LS growers, was it poor fertility or did they die in the shell?

If memory serves me correct
set 8 of each 16 total
If everything are what I think they are then
All IG X hatched
LS  2 in fertile 3 hatched from the 8
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 19, 2016, 09:18:29 pm
All IG X hatched
Crossbreds always seem to have better results as they benefit from hybrid vigour.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 19, 2016, 09:28:15 pm
Yes I agree

Do you have and breeding/selecting processes etc
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 19, 2016, 09:40:09 pm
I only keep small numbers therefore don't have many to select from, but I aim to select my stock cockerels on early maturity and weight for age. The breeding hens are 2 & 3 year old and selected on their laying ability as pullets.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 20, 2016, 12:13:26 am
Do you trap nest to count numbers of eggs from each bird?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 20, 2016, 10:04:13 am
Nothing that technical.
All chicks are wing tagged and I keep records of simple things like weight at 9 weeks, age at first lay, temperament (calm hens are more productive), and moult (date and length of time unproductive). Broodiness I don't want in my Light Sussex flock, therefore any sign of broodiness and they are moved on. I hope to use my pure Indian Game pullets as broodies.
I just want to keep a small flock of traditional pure breeds, where the Light Sussex can produce eggs in acceptable numbers and cockerels make a worthwhile meal. The Indian Game will hopefully add extra meat yield to the first cross.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 20, 2016, 07:32:24 pm
Sounds like you have it sorted
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 21, 2016, 09:14:08 am
Why do you look at weight at 9 weeks?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 21, 2016, 11:05:03 am
Up until 9 weeks they are kept in a controlled environment, thereafter they free range with the mature birds and there will be so many variables which will have an influence on their weight gain.

For the first month they are reared inside in a brooder cage with heat plate, by which time they've feathered up and are then put outside for their 2nd month in a coop with run, fed on a rearer pellet, then I weigh them to give me an indication on growth potential and early maturity.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 23, 2016, 12:16:49 am
Any of you tried raising brahmas for meat they are a large bird but wondered if they where all feather


Or even crossed with IG
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: devonlady on August 23, 2016, 08:23:30 am
I have had surplus males to fatten (free of charge!) and you do get a decent carcase but they are big boned birds. Crossed with an IG they may be better. Only way is to try it!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 24, 2016, 05:38:30 pm
Hi all, been away for the last week
Looks like there's been some good crack  :thumbsup:

PR - will have a look at your spread sheet tomo when I get the laptop fired up.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 24, 2016, 11:25:49 pm
I will have another update in the morning

Plus updated a new one for Muscovies
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 25, 2016, 01:38:17 pm
2 of my Gallic hens laid this morning
They are 17 weeks old  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 26, 2016, 10:55:15 am
that's good going Dave

here are my weights for this week also started weighing some muscovies biggest over 2.2kg at 8 weeks old

the chickens hve been slow this week most being in moult so that will know  doubt be taken up the energy
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 26, 2016, 10:51:59 pm
Very soon you will have some nice cockerels to process  :thumbsup:
I have a feeling the hens may slow down on the meat front  :thinking:

Are you ultimately looking for meat or duel process birds ?

Do the Muscovies dress out  with the same Live / Dead weight % ratios as chicken do ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 28, 2016, 01:34:38 pm
I'm going to keep the hens for laying eggs
And cull the cocks apart from the light Sussex and best cockerel
I will also use the best IG X hen to go back with the LS cockerel as an F1 see how they turn out

Muscovies I think have similar dress out

That maybe because the breast is pretty big
I could be wrong though

I have just agreed to take on some really rare coucou de Rennes
I beleive they are a French utility breed they get to around 3.5kg for cockerels and take around 4 months o that will be an interesting project
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 28, 2016, 02:03:04 pm
Excellent that will b a good project  :thumbsup:

I think the 3.5kg will be a mature bird rather than a 4 month old bird but will be very interesting to find out.
Think they are good layers as well.
And good for you taking on a rare breed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 28, 2016, 02:05:44 pm
Macgro7 how are you Farm Rangers doing ?

I'm not liking me me as much as my Sasso Gallic as they just sit & eat all day, they don't look the best either but it could be down to all the rain.
Will weigh them this week so that might make me like them a bit more  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 28, 2016, 02:36:57 pm
Excellent that will b a good project  :thumbsup:

I think the 3.5kg will be a mature bird rather than a 4 month old bird but will be very interesting to find out.
Think they are good layers as well.
And good for you taking on a rare breed  :thumbsup:
Ye I agree I have a couple of rare breeds at minute that I show but
As I was going to look at another utility breed this option cam up and thought I would go for it
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 28, 2016, 04:20:49 pm
Are you getting in some mature birds or pullets ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 28, 2016, 06:45:46 pm
Are you getting in some mature birds or pullets ?

It's going to be a trip to breed from
There's a few videos on YouTube from France they look tasty

They are in decline so will be good to get breed get them going
I will have some trios free of charge next year if your interested that's my terms and conditions for having them give some birds away and try to promote the breed
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 29, 2016, 04:53:00 pm
I've weighed up today the chickens so will put spread sheet up later once I've updated it

One of the IG X cocks has hit 3kg at 16 weeks and the other males are around the others not far behind

The females have all lost a little this week but like I said before there's in moult
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 29, 2016, 09:34:25 pm
spreadsheet attatched
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 30, 2016, 01:23:16 pm
3kg at 16 weeks is really good for a pure breed, well done mate  :thumbsup:

Will be interesting to see what the dress out like.
Are you still processing them next week?

Your moving forward with a good breeding stock for next year  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 30, 2016, 02:33:49 pm
Got eggs piping  :excited:

Started with 30 in the Incy, lost 10 at candling so left with 17 IG and 3 Wyndotte's.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 30, 2016, 07:02:48 pm
I think I am going to give them
A few more weeks
Another 2 weeks they should hit 3.5kg and then will finish them for a week see what that are at thinking of upping the protein for last few weeks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 31, 2016, 09:30:13 am
7 little Indians out this morning

But plenty of noise from the eggs still in the Incy  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 31, 2016, 09:42:31 am
Did you buy eggs in or hatch your own
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on August 31, 2016, 09:11:37 pm
muscovy spreadsheet

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 01, 2016, 08:24:30 pm
Again very good weights pal  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 01, 2016, 08:26:35 pm
Did you buy eggs in or hatch your own

Ended up with 11 chicks from 24 eggs.
These were bought in and came through the post.
Hoping to use my big cockerel over them next year, but will see how they turn out first.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 01, 2016, 08:33:21 pm

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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 02, 2016, 03:08:18 pm
Haven't had a weigh in with my Farm Rangers in a while due to working away, but boy they have grown.


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They are 10 weeks now and between 2.9kg and 3.4kg
Bigger than my Sasso Gallic when I processed them at 12 weeks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 02, 2016, 04:45:35 pm
Looks no well what live weight and age you looking at Dave

Would they eat as much in 12 weeks as a LS in say 20?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 02, 2016, 05:01:07 pm
Think I might try for about 5kg for a Christmas bird, maybe.

They do eat a bit more than a LS but not that much more.
So they are very cost effective at converting feed into meat.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 03, 2016, 04:55:12 pm
They are the ideal meat bird but to be honest I don't like them as much as my Sasso Gallic.
The FR is more of a broiler, so basically a slob sitting in the mud by the feeder eating most of the day.

But a cross between them will be very interesting  :thinking: :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 05, 2016, 11:08:24 pm
spread attached
so i have now reached  point where my pullets havet been gaining much weight and seem to have come to a lull

and the mains are also putting small amounts on

since subday i have now changed there diet and put them on a boiled wheat mix to see if i can add some extra weight
if i cant see a change this week then i will finish them off the following week and start culling we are at 17 weeks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Victorian Farmer on September 06, 2016, 11:58:15 am
When we was growing fowl for  the Christmas market it was unblefabul at Huntley they fetched £18 each not dressed .And £40 for the geese .The 18 were corn fed .We stopt doing the fowl as dispatching and dressing was a problem . Did like doing the fowl the pics look splended Dave you will get the ideal bird .Myn  was Dorking Indian and ixworth the hatching eggs made more than the stock .It takes a season to get the foundation stock castle farms have some lovaley stock for these  projects .
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 06, 2016, 10:13:07 pm
Hi Dave how much did it cost you for the day old farm rangers I'm thinking of ordering some
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 07, 2016, 01:39:10 pm
spread attached
so i have now reached  point where my pullets havet been gaining much weight and seem to have come to a lull

and the mains are also putting small amounts on

since subday i have now changed there diet and put them on a boiled wheat mix to see if i can add some extra weight
if i cant see a change this week then i will finish them off the following week and start culling we are at 17 weeks

Sounds like you have hit the wall.
They have built their frame and it's a slow process getting any decent meat on them and probably not worth even trying with the pullets.
But you have your records so you know which hens will produce the fastest maturing offspring.

I weighed my Buff Rocks last week they were 15 weeks old and a huge looking birds now.
They average 2.6kg but they are all frame.
When you feel them there is next to no Brest meat on them but they will make massive birds but I don't have 6 or 7 months to wait for that, so they will be moved on or culled.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 07, 2016, 01:46:31 pm
When we was growing fowl for  the Christmas market it was unblefabul at Huntley they fetched £18 each not dressed .And £40 for the geese .The 18 were corn fed .We stopt doing the fowl as dispatching and dressing was a problem . Did like doing the fowl the pics look splended Dave you will get the ideal bird .Myn  was Dorking Indian and ixworth the hatching eggs made more than the stock .It takes a season to get the foundation stock castle farms have some lovaley stock for these  projects .

Thanks VF, yes that's what this year is all about getting the foundation for next year I will then be trying 3 different crosses between my birds, comparing early maturity, size and taste and also if they then breed true.
I will then know where to concentrate my efforts and stock my birds accordingly.

I got my original IG birds from Castle Farm and am very happy with them, I've bought in new stock this year to merge bloodlines.
Not sure if Castle Farm is still going, not heard anything from Dave since May and a lot of people haven't had any replies when trying to order hatching eggs.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 07, 2016, 01:51:26 pm
Hi Dave how much did it cost you for the day old farm rangers I'm thinking of ordering some

Think they were 85p each  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 07, 2016, 01:56:00 pm
Decided to process my 4 largest cockerels as there movement wasn't good and I couldn't look at them any longer struggling to walk about.
Killed them Monday and dressed them last night, they all made between 2.5 & 2.8kg dressed, not bad for 11 weeks and the Breast meat was massive and thick.

I have kept 2 of the lighter weight cockerels to grow on a bit as there movement is much better, hoping to make a Christmas birds from them.
And obviously keeping the hens for my breeding program   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 07, 2016, 03:14:51 pm
Was it S&t poultry?
What did you feed them on again

I will weigh again Sunday to see any improvement on the new diet and then decide from there
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 07, 2016, 03:28:58 pm
Yes S&T poultry, I just fed them chick crumbs until 6 weeks then growers pellets until finishing.

I was thinking of another batch but don't want to have to give them light in the dark nights. So might struggle getting them up to the same weights.

I might just let my Gallic lay a bit longer then try some of there eggs  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 10, 2016, 04:47:18 pm
Some of My chicks at 1 week old
Guess the odd one out !


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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 11, 2016, 01:58:41 pm
Wow! I haven't been here for couple of weeks!
Since then all my meat chicks have overgrown the dorking pullets (which are 8 weeks older!), but not the cockerel. They are now 9 weeks old.
The red ones are actually significantly larger than the white ones!!!
We have only eaten two white ones and they were fantastic. They do have much more breast meat than the red ones but weight wise they are probably similar.
My rabbits are also 9 weeks old and I separated 2 fastest growing females for breeding and 8 is going to the freezer tonight or tomorrow.
Will send some pics tonight ????
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 11, 2016, 05:45:28 pm
Hi mate, sounds like they are doing well.

What age were the broiler birds when you processed them and what weight did they make ?

Yes pics would be good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 12, 2016, 11:11:08 am
Sorry I forgot to take pics lol
I didn't weigh them. They were about 6 and half weeks old.
Same size as they "baby chickens" from the butcher shop.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 14, 2016, 09:51:40 pm
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7573796/width/200/height/400)
I just put six of these guys in the freezer.
Tomorrow will do some chickens.
And no, they are not dogs. They are rabbits.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 17, 2016, 08:14:21 pm
Very nice pal I love a bit of rabbit.

Which chickens are you processing? Have you done any Of your medium grow Sasso's yet ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 17, 2016, 08:15:33 pm
PR, have you decided what you are doing with your LS & LSxIG yet ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 17, 2016, 09:31:53 pm
PR, have you decided what you are doing with your LS & LSxIG yet ?

Not been on a while been bit busy

Will be culling next week keeping the best LS cock and pullet and IGx pullet

I've just done a couple of random weights will put it against last weeks results they feel like they have started growing again
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 17, 2016, 09:35:36 pm
Cockerel
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 18, 2016, 07:20:33 pm
Nice looking Cockerel  :thumbsup:

Are they feeding meaty on the breast
I know my Buff Rocks are huge, bigger than my Sasso cockerels but they have no meat on the breast.

Will be very interesting to see what you get,  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 18, 2016, 07:20:58 pm
Just lost a lovely Dark laced Indian Game Pullet to a dog attack !!!!
Never seen the dog before and after breaking a stick over its back probably never will again.

I'm wondering if it's just not meant to be with these IG.

It was only 1 of 2 I got from my first IG hatch
The other is a nice Blue cockerel at about 11 weeks now.


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Luckily I have a batch of chicks coming through which are doing well so finger crossed.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 18, 2016, 08:34:46 pm
That's a really nice cockerel!
I cut one Ross (i think pullet) and to Sasso (cockerel and pullet) today.
To be honest the sasso cock is the biggest! Ross the fatest.
Will tell you the exact weight as soon as I find the scales!
I've noticed that on a fairly low protein diet the sasso seem to be growing better than Ross.  Before when they were on high protein (chick crumbs), the Ross were growing faster.
Verdict: for free range the slow growing sasso are better. For more confined system Ross win.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 19, 2016, 09:17:49 am
Yeah that will be very much down to there design.
Sounds like your getting plenty meat from them mate, looking forward to hearing there weights.

Are you keeping any back for breeding?

I did a Duck Flight Friday night & shot 17 between me & my mate, so plenty duck breasts in the freezer now  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 19, 2016, 10:07:49 am
Nice.
I really feel like keeping a trio fro breeding. I might give them to my uncle because I don't want them to crossbreed with my dorkings and can't be bothered to separate them as all my birds run together.
I still have muscovy drakes to kill and I'm not looking forward to plucking them. Only the thought of their flavour keeps me sane lol
Oh and obviously the geese!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 19, 2016, 10:36:19 am
Cockerel
THEY ARE STARTING TO FEEL HEAVIER
IVE SEPERATED MY LIGHT SUSSEX PULLET ALONG WITH THE BEST IG X PULLET AND GOT TO SAY THE THE IG XHENS FEEL MEATIER,
I CAN START TO FEEL THE MEAT COMING ON THE COCKERELS, I AM GOING TO PROCESS AN IG X MALE AND PURE LIGHT SUSSEX TO COMPARE THEM BOTH

IM TOLD THAT PUTTING THE IG X PULLET BACK WITH LIGHT SUSSEX SHOULD MAKE FOR A FASTER GROWING BIRD
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 20, 2016, 08:19:38 pm
I'm going to keep the hens for laying eggs
And cull the cocks apart from the light Sussex and best cockerel
I will also use the best IG X hen to go back with the LS cockerel as an F1 see how they turn out

Muscovies I think have similar dress out

That maybe because the breast is pretty big
I could be wrong though

I have just agreed to take on some really rare coucou de Rennes
I beleive they are a French utility breed they get to around 3.5kg for cockerels and take around 4 months o that will be an interesting project

Hi pal, did you get any Coucou's in the end, if so how are they doing ???
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 22, 2016, 05:10:01 pm
hi mate
not getting them until th national show
they where also featured on the hairy bikers chicken and egg programme
on the bbc
its on every tuesday and if you can access the bbc i player you can watch it on there

really ggod promoting poultry for eggs and meat

it is episode 2  has cou cou and le bresse on there
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 22, 2016, 06:02:19 pm
Yes I saw it, that's what reminded me of yours.

It's been a good series so far I'm enjoying it, I do like the La Bresse the ones I had were twice the size of them on the TV but decided not to replace them as they don't hold enough breast meat.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 22, 2016, 11:29:43 pm
The coucou look nice eating birds if I must say so ha
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 23, 2016, 11:23:42 am
Nice.
I really feel like keeping a trio fro breeding. I might give them to my uncle because I don't want them to crossbreed with my dorkings and can't be bothered to separate them as all my birds run together.
I still have muscovy drakes to kill and I'm not looking forward to plucking them. Only the thought of their flavour keeps me sane lol
Oh and obviously the geese!

To be honest the cockerels I processed didn't look like they would last much longer on there legs, the 2 lighter ones I've kept back are also not ideal so they will be going to freezer camp in a week or so depending on there weights, so don't think I will be keeping any FR cockerels back.
The FR 3 hens will be getting crossed with the Slow growth Sasso's "Gallic" and also IG next year.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 24, 2016, 03:01:31 pm
Just watched the hairy bikers chicken and egg program! So cool lol
Its a  shame they didn't show dorking or other breeds of meat chickens.
Now I want to get coucou de renne and la bresse!

But before, right now, I'm going to slaughter some nicely fattened Ross broilers and maybe a red broiler cockrell!
Tomorrow we are eating Poulet à la Crème  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on September 24, 2016, 04:24:14 pm
I'm getting coucou at the national this year
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 25, 2016, 03:28:40 pm
I'll just get some chicks of next year then  ;)
I was working on making enclosures for breeding chickens.
Decided to keep a trio of the red broilers. Probably will put one hen with a dorking cock. Now I'm going back to plucking!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 25, 2016, 06:20:55 pm
You could do what I have done and just keep red broiler hens, that way you won't get your cockerels mixed up.

I Bet your Dorking cockerel over them will make some nice birds  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 25, 2016, 09:05:48 pm
Someone gave some of those metal mesh fence panels that u use for construction side - 6 foot high. Should be enough to keep 2 cocks away from each other  :fc:
If not.. we can always have a fantastic chicken soup.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 26, 2016, 09:58:25 am
Harris fencing  :thumbsup: that will do the trick.

I use in for my pheasant pens, is spot on.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on September 26, 2016, 01:06:16 pm
That's the one!
Do you put roof for pheasants? Or just the fence panels?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 26, 2016, 02:12:01 pm
I do the Partridge pens but not the pheasant, when there old enough to fly out there old enough to be out.
Put pop holes in the sides so they can come back in and roost on a night, then fly back out in the morning.
Just until September then the doors are left open and they can come & go as they please.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on September 28, 2016, 06:21:45 pm
Just weighed my 2 remaining Farm Ranger cockerels they are 3.5 & 3.6kg.

These were the lighter of the birds that I kept back to grow on, well they have done just that, loads of breast meat on them.
They are 14 weeks now, so I will either process them this weekend or grow them on for maybe a 4-5kg bird.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on October 02, 2016, 11:03:57 am
THEY ARE STARTING TO FEEL HEAVIER
I CAN START TO FEEL THE MEAT COMING ON THE COCKERELS, I AM GOING TO PROCESS AN IG X MALE AND PURE LIGHT SUSSEX TO COMPARE THEM BOTH

Any updates?
Have you processed any of the birds and if so how do they compare?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 03, 2016, 09:14:12 am
HI SORRY 
BEEN PRETTY BUSY GOING TO PROCESS THIS WEEK AND WILL POST UPDATES ASAP
THEY ARE 20 WEEKS NOW

 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 05, 2016, 11:47:04 pm
So processed one of my IG x cocks today at 21 weeks
Dressed out at 1.810 kg

I dry plucked which was pretty easy for my first attempt and the bird was pretty clean
Not a lot of fat

It didn't have a lot of breast meat but legs thighs and wings are pretty decent
I'm pretty happy with the 1st
The proof will be in the tasting

It took 40 mins start to finish
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 05, 2016, 11:48:01 pm
Coucou de Rennes
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 06, 2016, 08:58:29 pm
So processed one of my IG x cocks today at 21 weeks
Dressed out at 1.810 kg

I dry plucked which was pretty easy for my first attempt and the bird was pretty clean
Not a lot of fat

It didn't have a lot of breast meat but legs thighs and wings are pretty decent
I'm pretty happy with the 1st
The proof will be in the tasting

It took 40 mins start to finish

Well done mate  :thumbsup:

That's the problem with traditional breeds is the lack of breast meat.
But I bet it's the best tasting chicken you've ever had.  :yum:

Them Coucou's look stunning have you picked them up ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on October 06, 2016, 10:59:34 pm
So processed one of my IG x cocks today at 21 weeks
Dressed out at 1.810 kg 

Thank you for sharing.

Did you weigh him before dispatching? If so, what was the killing out %?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 07, 2016, 08:22:07 am
ye he was 2.8kg they didnt put much on in the last few weeks they he got to that weight at around 18 weeks so in hindesight could have culled earlier
so roughly lost slightly over a 3rd,  64% ish

i have a couple slightly bigger and couple smaller so went with what i thought was average
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 07, 2016, 08:23:23 am
So processed one of my IG x cocks today at 21 weeks
Dressed out at 1.810 kg

I dry plucked which was pretty easy for my first attempt and the bird was pretty clean
Not a lot of fat

It didn't have a lot of breast meat but legs thighs and wings are pretty decent
I'm pretty happy with the 1st
The proof will be in the tasting

It took 40 mins start to finish

Well done mate  :thumbsup:

That's the problem with traditional breeds is the lack of breast meat.
But I bet it's the best tasting chicken you've ever had.  :yum:

Them Coucou's look stunning have you picked them up ?

not picked them up yet
getting them from national
as of the picture they are 7 weeks old this saturday
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on October 07, 2016, 06:17:09 pm
Coucou de Rennes

they seem to be nice compact birds,
what are their biggest selling points? egg numbers and colour of shell, meat yield etc.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 07, 2016, 10:41:07 pm
The French Michelin restraints use them for the table so will aim for that

They are pretty rare almost diminished in the UK in 88
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 09, 2016, 06:58:44 pm
Well the weather has been kind this week with warmish nights but the little IG Cornish chicks seem to be thriving.


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They seem a nice shape for 5 weeks old and I will be keeping an eye on that large dark cockerel in the middle.
He is way bigger than the rest and could be a keeper.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 14, 2016, 07:59:19 pm
Moved my Farm Ranger pullets that I'm keeping for breeding into a bigger hen house tonight.

This young lad is going in with them.


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He is 2.87kg at 16 weeks old
So looking like a keeper.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 19, 2016, 03:59:04 pm
Processed the last 2 Sasso Farm Ranger cockerels today.
Was going to keep them for a X large bird but they weren't looking good on their legs so in the freezer they went.
They were 2.2kg dressed at 16 weeks old, I'm happy with that although as a bird I don't like them as much as the Sasso Gallic.


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These are the last to be processed this year.
The hens have been kept back for breeding and are laying well.
I will be keeping the whole batch of IG to mature before making any decisions on stud cockerels.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on October 19, 2016, 06:50:09 pm
I'm really happy with the red ones as well!
Will process most of the ones left this weekend. Some hens will definitely stay.
However had an inspection of my dorking - hens are really nice with meaty breaststroke but the cockerel is not good for breeding - bent keel and hardly any breast meat - I'm sure he'll make a delightful chicken soup this Sunday!
To replace him I'm picking up a pair of la Bresse.
Such a shame though... it's hard to find red dorking. Well at least we can judge the flavor!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 20, 2016, 09:52:19 am
That's a real shame pal was looking forward to seeing your breeding results with the RD.
Can you not find a replacement cockerel? Now is a good time of the year.

I had La Bresse and they were huge but took until about 24 weeks to fill out, also there fertility wasn't good.
Hope yours work out for you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 28, 2016, 01:49:10 pm
not been on for a while

finally got round to eating one of the IG x LS cockerels last weekend

was pretty nice different to what we are obviously used to

i was easy plucking, and my 1st attempt took about 25 mins thats pluck and gut

hardly any fat on the bird

the breast wasnt that big but legs and wings where huge

i think i could have culled earlier as the weight didnt go up much after 18 weeks and it dressed out at 1.8kg

the skin was a bit thick and seemed rubbery although the dog didnt complain

all in all not a bad experience
my muscovy will be all most ready to process although not had time to weight and i think i will just use the breast

i think i will concentrate on the cou cou de Rennes next year and establish a good flock of those
ive been doing alot of translating the french literature using google reseaching the breed
they should reach 3kg at 150 days and are usually finished on whey
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 29, 2016, 07:57:19 am
25 mins isn't bad at all  :thumbsup:
That's a good reason to do your weights, next time your processing at 18 weeks which is a good time frame.
I'm concentrating on getting my pure IG ready for 16 weeks at 2kg dressed is my goal. 

I thought you would get more Brest meat as my IG have massive amounts, could put your IG X LS back to an IG cock bird  :thinking:

If you don't like the skin you could always skin the bird for quicker processing, I skinned my last two but I missed it when it was on the plate.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on October 31, 2016, 04:44:36 pm
interesting reading has a lot good info on breeding and selecting

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/ppp/pppToC.html#toc (http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/ppp/pppToC.html#toc)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 31, 2016, 09:16:24 pm
Thanks for posting the link it's an interesting read  :thumbsup:

I like the old books, know breeds have changed since then (not for the better) but it's nice to read how they used to do it  :farmer:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 31, 2016, 09:20:03 pm
Update on my Indian Game growers, they are 7 weeks now and out in there new pen.

There top grazers


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I have 1 Jubilee and 2 Blue pullets


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This Cockerel is head & shoulders above the rest


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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on October 31, 2016, 09:48:36 pm
And this guy is 18 weeks now

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That's a Farm Ranger in the background
Looks a bit like a big Buff Sussex.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 02, 2016, 08:09:55 am
Processed the last 2 Sasso Farm Ranger cockerels today.
Was going to keep them for a X large bird but they weren't looking good on their legs so in the freezer they went.
They were 2.2kg dressed at 16 weeks old, I'm happy with that although as a bird I don't like them as much as the Sasso Gallic.


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These are the last to be processed this year.
The hens have been kept back for breeding and are laying well.
I will be keeping the whole batch of IG to mature before making any decisions on stud cockerels.

Where did you get these bags from?

What's your process for skinning I.e resting etc
I'm thinking of skinning and then jointing without gutting can they sit in fridge for a few days or should I rest them in milk or anything
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 02, 2016, 08:52:11 am
Hi PR, the bags are just large freezer bags with handles from either Tesco or Sainsburys, you should vacuum seal them but ours are only in the freezer a month or so tops so we've never had a problem with freezer burn.

I skinned for quickness this time as I was struggling with man flu  :gloomy:

What I did was starve all day then cull in the evening, hang over night then following evening skin the bird.
Taking the head, feet and wing tips off first for easy removal of the pelt.
I then gut or you could joint up.

I do a quicker version with pheasants, I just make a cut in the skin on the breast bone area, pull the skin back on the front and remove each breast, then remove the feet and skin and remove legs & thighs, takes me about 3 mins per bird. The pheasant breasts go into stir fry's and the drumsticks are lovely with sticky bbq sauce  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Victorian Farmer on November 02, 2016, 08:17:06 pm
Just remember Dave the eggs will make good money as well as chicks .The going rate for cock birds for Christmas is set at £18 a goose £38 good prices
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 02, 2016, 09:58:29 pm
These are the Farm Ranger pullets I have kept back for breeding in spring.

2 of the pullets have a strong Buff Sussex look  :scratch:


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023594/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023594/image.jpeg)

And this Pullet was 3.5kg about 3 weeks ago
She maybe too big for breeding!!


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023595/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023595/image.jpeg)

Looking forward to penning them with this big guy in spring


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023596/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023596/image.jpeg)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023597/image.jpeg) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2023597/image.jpeg)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 14, 2016, 10:20:55 am
I RECIEVE MY COU COU DE RENNES THIS WEEKEND I CANNOT WAIT

I Also culled a Light sussex cockerel
i skinned this time found it pretty easy too around 15 mins
portioned the legs and breasts
and actually thought the breast where decent size

2 legs weighed 650g and both breasts 400g

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 14, 2016, 01:05:17 pm
I can't wait to see your pics!!!
I kill a chicken every weekend.
Got myself a "killing cone" the other week and it makes my job cleaner and faster. Really happy with it!

Last Saturday my wife wasn't feeling well so I slaughtered and de-feathered a red sasso pullet. Made a brilliant chicken soup - slowly cooked for 6 hours! It was so well Clocked in fact that all the meat came out of the bones. After it cooled down it became a jelly, since all the gelatine dissolved from bones.
The best medicine you can get for cold!
I still have 5 red pullets and 2 cockerels. I'm giving a trio to my uncle and keeping 2 pullets myself and most likely a cockerel although they annoy me with following me everywhere and constantly wanting more food lol what can you do? They are broilers after all! Lol

Btw
My red sasso cockerels look almost exactly like this guy:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rNJBFerK_oA/U4VRxuT8-SI/AAAAAAAAAbc/2QXIk7Xq738/s1600/IMG_9705.JPG)
It's bielefelder, supposedly really good dual purpose breed. Anyone heard of them? Do you think sasso have their blood? Most pullets look you yours Dave! Buff sussex
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 14, 2016, 09:08:07 pm
I RECIEVE MY COU COU DE RENNES THIS WEEKEND I CANNOT WAIT

I Also culled a Light sussex cockerel
i skinned this time found it pretty easy too around 15 mins
portioned the legs and breasts
and actually thought the breast where decent size

2 legs weighed 650g and both breasts 400g

Look forward to seeing them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 14, 2016, 09:14:38 pm
I looked into the Bielefelders last year but couldn't find any utility strains.
They are a great DP breed in Germany and the USA making good weights but over here they are bred mainly for eggs  :huff: and sex linked chicks.

Your cockerel is probably a Sasso X44b being sent by accident or a throw back sharing the same genes.

Every batch of Sasso X431a I rear look different some just red and some like Buff Sussex, this last batch even had a nacked neck in there  :yuck:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 14, 2016, 10:00:34 pm
Yes. All cockerels were like that. Some girls are just like buff sussex. One is more like speckled red.  They are all similar size though.
Really pleased with them.
Next year I want to try some naked necks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 15, 2016, 08:27:30 pm
Bet them cockerels are bonny mate try and get a pic up of them  :thumbsup:
The barred and the reds are all intermediate, so medium growth birds so should finish similar times and weights.

Be good to keep 1 back for breeding.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 15, 2016, 10:58:24 pm
Bet them cockerels are bonny mate try and get a pic up of them  :thumbsup:
Oh no! They are massive and very heavy!
Boys do have longer legs than the pullets bit still a lot of meat on them.
I expect them to start crowing soon as never heard any from this year's birds - except for seramas lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 17, 2016, 03:15:03 pm
i skinned another couple of cockerels on tuesday and got to say i was pretty impressedd plenty of meet on both they was around 6 months
i weighted breast and leg meat and was over 1kg
i just have to refine the technique of skinning and will be good to go
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 17, 2016, 03:27:50 pm
I must say I much prefer to pluck if I have a few to do, as it's worth heating a large bucket of water to dunk them in first, we also eat a lot of roast chicken and we love the skin.

If your only taking the breasts and legs/ thighs you don't even have to skin the whole bird just the front and sides and you can do it in seconds.
I did a goose I shot at the weekend in about 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 17, 2016, 03:31:04 pm
I'm not really planning on culling anymore this year I have the breeding stock more or less how I want them.

I have 2 Dark Laced Indian Game cockerels spare, so I might give them away or they might make dinner when there about 3kg.  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 17, 2016, 03:58:09 pm
i like roasts but i found that the skin was a bit thick on these birds and slightly rubbery
so
i have see a deal for some butchers boning knifes that scot rea uses on youtube £9.75 which i thought was a good deal

what temp do you get the water to is it about 170
going to do this tactic on the muscovies

i had goose for christmas last year and quite liked it
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 17, 2016, 09:58:17 pm
Muscovies and geese are nightmare to pluck...
But it's worth it! I still have at least three of them to do. Maybe this weekend if we have space in the freezer.
The tiny little pin feather that I just could be bothered to take out after like 2 hours of plucking duck... just burned them with a blowtorch.
I think my birds I fat enough to go to freezer and make nice roast.
Oh I miss roast goose
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 20, 2016, 03:56:10 pm
i like roasts but i found that the skin was a bit thick on these birds and slightly rubbery
so
i have see a deal for some butchers boning knifes that scot rea uses on youtube £9.75 which i thought was a good deal

what temp do you get the water to is it about 170
going to do this tactic on the muscovies

i had goose for christmas last year and quite liked it


Not sure on the temperature of the water, just as hot as I can get out of the tap, I dunk them for a few seconds then try plucking the wing tip feathers, keep doing it until they com out then start plucking.
Remember you don't want to cook the bird  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 21, 2016, 02:49:34 pm
Coucou de Rennes
Cock 2.3kg
Females £1.6 in guessing 13 weeks which would bring it on line with LS
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 21, 2016, 02:50:13 pm
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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 21, 2016, 07:31:32 pm
Very nice  :thumbsup:
Looking forward to reading about your progress.

Is the any physical differences to a Cuckoo Marans (except for the egg colour) ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 22, 2016, 06:37:10 am
Not too sure
I would have to go through the Maran standard
But I guess the is some maran in them they also look like the le flech
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 23, 2016, 07:19:21 pm
How many did you get ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 23, 2016, 07:19:40 pm
Picked this guy up this morning when he got stuck in the barn.
Oh man he has some breast meat on him.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027925/IMG_2767.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027925/IMG_2767.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027926/IMG_2768.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027926/IMG_2768.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 24, 2016, 10:09:48 am
looks like hes had madonnas boob surgeon ha
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 25, 2016, 03:31:30 pm
The good thing with these Slow growth broiler is they grow very quickly up to 14 weeks then don't really get much bigger.
Where as the medium growth would just keep getting bigger & bigger then have too much weight for there legs.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 25, 2016, 04:59:51 pm
The good thing with these Slow growth broiler is they grow very quickly up to 14 weeks then don't really get much bigger.
Where as the medium growth would just keep getting bigger & bigger then have too much weight for there legs.
Same with my ones. Now they seem to be growing their bones (height) more than muscle. Very heavy though. Outgrown "normal" egg laying hens some time ago
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 25, 2016, 08:04:01 pm
What's everyone's meat bird plans for next season ???
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 25, 2016, 08:59:20 pm
Coucou de Rennes
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 26, 2016, 07:45:51 am
Do you have a plan yet mate ?
How many you starting with, how many you ultimately want as a breeding group ?

Or are you breeding to take cocks & hens for the table or just the spare cock birds and use for duel purpose ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 26, 2016, 09:07:35 am
Do you have a plan yet mate ?
How many you starting with, how many you ultimately want as a breeding group ?

Or are you breeding to take cocks & hens for the table or just the spare cock birds and use for duel purpose ?

I have a trio so my plan is to hatch some batches through the year and I will keep the daughters to go back with father I aim to replace all my layers with coucou de Rennes and may aim for around 20 females for eggs and keep surplus cockerels for the table
I will weigh again this year but may do that fortnightly rather than weekly or even monthly I will aim to breed to standard so those failing that will go to table also I feel this is a real chance to ge the breed going been really rare
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 26, 2016, 09:09:00 am
IGxLS pullets these are real chunky birds in all fairness
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 27, 2016, 12:20:06 pm
Do you have a plan yet mate ?
How many you starting with, how many you ultimately want as a breeding group ?

Or are you breeding to take cocks & hens for the table or just the spare cock birds and use for duel purpose ?

I have a trio so my plan is to hatch some batches through the year and I will keep the daughters to go back with father I aim to replace all my layers with coucou de Rennes and may aim for around 20 females for eggs and keep surplus cockerels for the table
I will weigh again this year but may do that fortnightly rather than weekly or even monthly I will aim to breed to standard so those failing that will go to table also I feel this is a real chance to ge the breed going been really rare

Sounds like a good plan  :thumbsup:
Fingers crossed for good fertility and a good breeding season.

I weigh my hybrids regularly to see how they compare with earlier batches and to try to gauge when the best time to process is.
But with my pure IG I only really weigh at 16 weeks because that's the age I'm aiming towards to process, the blue cockerel I kept back was 2.87kg at 16 weeks so I'm getting there.
My last batch is 12 weeks now and I don't know there weight but I expect there will be slightly lighter than the summer birds due to the long night time hours but will see.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 27, 2016, 12:23:12 pm
IGxLS pullets these are real chunky birds in all fairness

They look nice birds  :thumbsup:

I would put a quality pure IG back over then if I were you.

If it's something you fancy doing I might be able to sort you out with one.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 27, 2016, 05:10:18 pm
Hello!
How's everyone?
Hope better than us!!!
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7640982/width/200/height/400)
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7640983/width/200/height/400)
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7640984/width/200/height/400)
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7640986/width/200/height/400)

Mr Fox doesn't care if they are my prized extremely rare red dorking, my breeders for next year which I had carefully selected and got rid of all the inferior birds. Mr Fox just kills them ALL!!!
I found ALL my chickens dead this morning. All of them except for seramas bantams which were housed separately.  I'm surprised geese which were together with meat chickens were untouched.
So at least I know I'm keeping the geese for breeding.
What chickens shall I breed now for next year's meat???????
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 27, 2016, 05:55:06 pm
Oh no that is really crap mate !!!!
I feel your pain happened to me a few times.
I now have a trap set and shoot quite a few.

I now try to spread my birds around a bit so I can get blood lines back if needs be.

I will be breeding many types of meat bird crosses ( my hybrids and my hybrid x IG) in the spring that your welcome to have some.
Also I can sort you with some pure Indian Game if you fancy some?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 27, 2016, 07:14:02 pm
This is Blue Boy ( I like Cowboy themes for names) my pure Cornish Indian Game.

He is 5 months now and I'm hoping will be one of my main cockerels next season.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029126/IMG_2807.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029126/IMG_2807.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029127/IMG_2793.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029127/IMG_2793.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029128/IMG_2796.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029128/IMG_2796.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029129/IMG_2801.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2029129/IMG_2801.JPG)

My plans for next year are to work on my IG pure breed hopefully getting close to a pure bird 2kg dressed at 16 weeks.

Also breeding my Sasso Gallic to see if they breed true, Gallic x Sasso Farm Rangers and IG X both the Sasso hybrids.

When I know which gives me the best cross which is sustainable I will just concentrate on that cross and pure IG, otherwise the amount of breeding pens and cockerels will get out of control  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 27, 2016, 10:07:13 pm
If I'm going up north I'll let you know...

I don't think I'll get any replacements till late January or February  (I. E. Eggs start again).
Not sure what to go for now...
If I could find good quality dorking or la bresse it would be fantastic!
Or maybe greenlegged partridge fowl?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on November 28, 2016, 08:17:55 am
SORRY  for your loss macro

 >:(
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 28, 2016, 10:59:31 am
I had some massive La Bresse a few years back but the took to long to mature and when your used to meat hybrids and even pure IG the breast on the LB is disappointing.

Depends what your looking for I like a 2kg bird dressed as there is 5 of us , but if your happy with a smaller bird with less breast meat they could be for you.
The other thing that put me off was the colour, at the time I also bred White leghorns ha.
I also find the white birds are the first to be taken in a fox or dog attack.

I get down your way every few weeks with work so I'm sure we could sort something out when your ready.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on November 28, 2016, 01:40:51 pm
I'll probably get something dual purpose again or go back to my leghorn  (by far the best layers I've had) and order some broiler chicks.
I'll give myself holiday now and won't get them till February as I said before. Unless I see something really nice in melton market next week lol
For now I'll concentrate on fencing the goat pen  ;) and new chicken shed
Oh and new smoker and sauna shed - wanted to do that for a long time  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on November 28, 2016, 05:29:47 pm
Don't forget us in this thread mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 01, 2016, 07:22:38 am
My only surviving hen. She was injured so it was either we eat her or she dies anyway and no one eats her ????
Pure bred welsummer:
(http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7643832/width/200/height/400)
I'm actually quite happy with her! Was expecting less meat lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 01, 2016, 01:48:28 pm
any techniques on getting tendons out

thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 01, 2016, 06:38:02 pm
Sorry what do you mean?
Do you mean that meat from older bird is harder and tendons are much tougher?
This bird will be boiled in a chicken soup for 6 hours.
Last time I did it all the meat came off the bone and most protein dissolved.
Pure medicine!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 02, 2016, 02:29:38 pm
Your right pal I've done Welsummer before and not had as much meat as that  :thumbsup:

Do you mean the tendons in the leg?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 02, 2016, 02:32:34 pm
yes tendons in legs
i found the IGXLS cocks had some big ones
but to be honest once cooked down it was found
thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 04, 2016, 07:55:58 pm
Some of this years keepers

Nice Blue Pullet at I think 13 weeks old, just loosing the last of her chick fluff
and her lacing should tighten up over the next month or so.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030712/IMG_2827.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030712/IMG_2827.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030713/IMG_2829.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030713/IMG_2829.JPG)

The Jubilee finally has her lacing coming through.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030714/IMG_2833.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030714/IMG_2833.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030715/IMG_2842.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030715/IMG_2842.JPG)

Can't leave out Blue Boy a cockerel I have kept from an earlier batch.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030716/IMG_2846.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030716/IMG_2846.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030717/IMG_2867.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030717/IMG_2867.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030718/IMG_2878.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030718/IMG_2878.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030719/IMG_2887.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030719/IMG_2887.JPG)

This this guy could be my Dark Laced cockerel keeper
Showing his size next to a Wyndotte bantam.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030720/IMG_2888.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030720/IMG_2888.JPG)

Another Blue Pullet

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030721/IMG_2901.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030721/IMG_2901.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030723/IMG_2927.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030723/IMG_2927.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030724/IMG_2932.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2030724/IMG_2932.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 06, 2016, 09:48:25 am
Adam Henson was talking silver appleyards ducks for meat on countryfile the other night
seemed interesting

anyone catch it
 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 06, 2016, 05:27:04 pm
Taped it, will watch it tonight  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 06, 2016, 05:29:23 pm
Just came back from work. Will watch it on Iplayer!

Just thought about something - have you considered breeding meat birds from a shamo cock?
They do have proper wide breasts. I had aseel cockerel once for dinner. Breast meat looked like broiler!
That's how indian game were created - people started crossing oriental game cocks with local hens in Cornwall. Instead of getting good fighter they got a brilliant meat bird!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 06, 2016, 07:06:33 pm
There was a guy on some forum crossing Shamo with Copper black Marans, they looked the ugliest birds I've ever seen  :roflanim: but did seem to have decent breast meat.
 hayho if they taste good  :thumbsup:

You looking for some more Dorking pal ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 06, 2016, 07:07:50 pm
I'd love to get some dorking but don't really know where to look?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 06, 2016, 07:28:55 pm
Got any decent poultry marts near you? Good time to find some.

Will keep my eyes open for you pal.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 06, 2016, 07:49:46 pm
Some interesting reading about utility Dorking

http://www.englishhens.co.uk/ (http://www.englishhens.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 06, 2016, 07:53:33 pm
Got any decent poultry marts near you? Good time to find some.

Will keep my eyes open for you pal.
I'm near melton mowbray. Which is the biggest livestock market I know actually. Really lucky to be near.
The problem is I work Monday to Friday now. The market is on Tuesday morning...
Used to go every week!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 08, 2016, 02:10:25 pm
culled one of my muscovies last night found the process tough alot of pin feathers
i should have culled 4 weeks ago to be fair
think i would need a plucker of some sort or time it right for when there wings come through
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 08, 2016, 05:50:45 pm
Muscovies seem to be the most difficult to pluck. Apparently they have not two but THREE layers of feathers!
They are worth it though!
I'm planning to do sausages from last year's drake. Plenty of meat on him!
Just waiting for the new mincer lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: TracyC on December 12, 2016, 02:08:51 pm
Hi there, we're new to our smallholding as of this year.  We're buying 40 day old Ross Cobbs early next year to raise for meat birds.  We have layers too but they are separate.  Ideally we hope to be self sufficient in them by the middle of next year, so I thought this was a great thread to post on.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 12, 2016, 02:23:58 pm
Hi Tracy, yes post away  :thumbsup:

There is nothing better than Ross cob for converting food to meat and you will have plenty of chicken dinners next year that's for sure, but they are not what you would class as self sustaining!

Are you looking to breed from them?

They are the end result of various hybrid crosses and are not created to be bred from as they become too large for their legs to carry them, but people have done it with an extreme controlled diet.
It also keeps you going back to the suppliers.

What's your plans?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 12, 2016, 02:27:54 pm
welcome aboard

be interesting to hear you plans

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 12, 2016, 02:29:25 pm
Muscovies seem to be the most difficult to pluck. Apparently they have not two but THREE layers of feathers!
They are worth it though!
I'm planning to do sausages from last year's drake. Plenty of meat on him!
Just waiting for the new mincer lol

Are you wanting to keep the skin or could you just skin them?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 12, 2016, 03:22:51 pm
Ye think i am going to skin them next time
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 12, 2016, 03:44:41 pm
Muscovies seem to be the most difficult to pluck. Apparently they have not two but THREE layers of feathers!
They are worth it though!
I'm planning to do sausages from last year's drake. Plenty of meat on him!
Just waiting for the new mincer lol

Are you wanting to keep the skin or could you just skin them?
I'm gonna skin the muscovies but pluck the geese
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 12, 2016, 03:57:15 pm
is it just same as skinning a chicken
nip the skin on the breast and then pull the skin away
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 12, 2016, 05:38:26 pm
With this lock down, My birds are not happy about being stuck in there secure run  :huff:
Keep trying to dig out ha.

I'm a bit worried about my Hybrid meat cockerels I kept back for breeding,when they were free ranging they were chasing the hens keeping themselves fit.
Now I'm afraid they put on too much weight!!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on December 12, 2016, 06:52:45 pm
Hope this is the right place to ask my question. The thread is so big that I haven't read through all the past posts.

I'm fairly new to chickens (keeping a year) and had our first two broody hatches. The first were hybrids and we killed the cockerels. We got back 1.4 and 1.7kg after gutting and was fairly happy with that. The second brood we got white leghorns as I read they were good utility birds. They are still running about (inside) at 15 weeks but they are tiny in comparison.

I want to make the best use of our broodies next year. Is there a better breed I can go for that would give me layers from the girls and meat from the boys? Or do I need to do a layers hatch and eaters hatch?

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 12, 2016, 09:56:27 pm
is it just same as skinning a chicken
nip the skin on the breast and then pull the skin away
Same technic but much tougher skin to pull off.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 13, 2016, 09:27:17 am
Hope this is the right place to ask my question. The thread is so big that I haven't read through all the past posts.

I'm fairly new to chickens (keeping a year) and had our first two broody hatches. The first were hybrids and we killed the cockerels. We got back 1.4 and 1.7kg after gutting and was fairly happy with that. The second brood we got white leghorns as I read they were good utility birds. They are still running about (inside) at 15 weeks but they are tiny in comparison.

I want to make the best use of our broodies next year. Is there a better breed I can go for that would give me layers from the girls and meat from the boys? Or do I need to do a layers hatch and eaters hatch?

Dans

HI DANS
welcome aboard

answer to to your question i suppose is really depends on what your looking for really something that looks good to look at and gives good meat and eggs then you will be looking at a good starin of light sussex but you will be looking around 18-22 weeks until they are big enough
you could look at faster growing birds that Dave will im sure give good advice on

you could then introduce a good Indian game cockerel to the mix to add more meat and faster growth

this year i had IG X light sussex and the birds where pretty good they are also a sex link gene so the males come back white and females brown

the females havent laid as yet but im expecting plenty of eggs in fact the females seem like they have more meat than the males pound for pound

i got 1.8kg of dressed out bird from the IG X males at 20 weeks


onto 2017 i have cou cou de rennes and going to give this a good go at working a good line
i am 1 of only  4 people in the country with breeding group of birds
hope this gives a little bit of insight and im sure the others will chip in with good points


ryan
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 13, 2016, 06:49:57 pm
Hope this is the right place to ask my question. The thread is so big that I haven't read through all the past posts.

I'm fairly new to chickens (keeping a year) and had our first two broody hatches. The first were hybrids and we killed the cockerels. We got back 1.4 and 1.7kg after gutting and was fairly happy with that. The second brood we got white leghorns as I read they were good utility birds. They are still running about (inside) at 15 weeks but they are tiny in comparison.

I want to make the best use of our broodies next year. Is there a better breed I can go for that would give me layers from the girls and meat from the boys? Or do I need to do a layers hatch and eaters hatch?

Dans

Hi Dans and welcome to the obsession that is meat bird and utility crosses  :excited:

Firstly, sorry to tell you this but White Leghorns are not utility birds, you will get no meat from them that's worth while, what you will get is loads of large white eggs  :thumbsup:
I used to breed them and they are a very good choice for a laying breed.

As for birds worthy of breeding for meat and eggs a lot is down to personal preference, as Ryan said above a good cross is Indian Game x Light Sussex, Dorking are also good, but there are so many duel purpose breeds which no longer carry much breast meat and only grow large frames, most do better crossed with Indian Game as they have a double breast which carry a lot of meat.

Then you get your free ranging hybrids which grow slower and stronger than broilers and also lay well, but can they be bred from?
I will tell you in a few months ha.

what are you looking for in a Meat bird?
What size bird do you want on your table and how quickly you want it table ready.
remember time = feed = £££

If you get time try to read through this thread, might get some ideas.

Look forward to hearing about your plans.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 14, 2016, 09:35:07 am
Macro
What would you charge for a full skinned Muscovy a friend wants to buy one but not sure what to charge I'm aware of laws etc.
But wouldn't mind getting feed money back
Thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 14, 2016, 09:36:07 am
I was thinking £2/LB
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 14, 2016, 11:47:04 am
I was charging £10 per duck when I was selling them
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: TracyC on December 14, 2016, 12:36:38 pm
Thanks for the welcome.
Re the Ross Cobbs, they were the breed that came back as best for table birds and we have found a supplier locally too which I am pleased about.
The initial plan was to get 40 day olds and put them all in the freezer at once.  We have chicken 2/3 times a week in the form of roast or diced and sliced.  I also will be batch making meals in prep for the winter.  We were not planning on keeping any back for breeding from due to the whole weight thing Dave C however my mind is wandering as I don't want to keep paying year after year (we would get 40, maybe twice a year) when we could raise them ourselves potentially.

I have a huge, huge RIR who is this years which I was considering crossed with a female Ross Cobb?  Then using the fertile eggs as meat birds - what's your thoughts on that?  Shouldn't they be crossed?

Also, we have ducks and geese and want to put 1 of each on the table for Christmas.  They were born in May so are way past their best date for slaughter I think (from what I have read).  What's everyone's thoughts on this?  We're definitely doing it, so advice on how to cook would be welcome :)

Thanks all.  Hope you're all bearing up with the whole keeping them in or covered malarkey.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on December 14, 2016, 02:08:36 pm
I was charging £10 per duck when I was selling them

Sounds about right cheers
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 15, 2016, 09:11:55 am

Also, we have ducks and geese and want to put 1 of each on the table for Christmas.  They were born in May so are way past their best date for slaughter I think (from what I have read).  What's everyone's thoughts on this?  We're definitely doing it, so advice on how to cook would be welcome :)

Thanks all.  Hope you're all bearing up with the whole keeping them in or covered malarkey.
Good age for geese. They should have more fat on them now. Ducks I usually slaughtered at 2-3 months.
Roasted duck, duck in orange sauce. Oh boy! Getting hungry already!
Personally I think goose is even nicer than duck! Roasted pekin/aylesbury ducks + muscovy + goose + turkey last year for comparison, and our results were:
Duck - lovely! Fat, soft meat, strong flavour
Muscovy - no fat at all. Very different in flavour to normal duck.
Goose - fantastic! Plenty of meat (was worried about it!). Milder flavour than duck.
Turkey - love turkey but if you are roasting it you can easily dry it out on the outside and not cook well inside - at least when  it's very large - our one was fairly small.
All the birds were raised by me!
This year I don't have any turkeys or ducks. Only muscovies and geese, but only keeping geese for breeding and eggs for next season.
Have you seen how ridiculously expensive geese are at the butchers?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Marches Farmer on December 15, 2016, 09:32:50 am
I have a huge, huge RIR who is this years which I was considering crossed with a female Ross Cobb?  Then using the fertile eggs as meat birds - what's your thoughts on that?  Shouldn't they be crossed?
You can cross anything with anything - the Ross Cobb is a very fast-growing modern hybrid and the RIR a dual-purpose heavy fowl that's been around long enough to for its characteristics to become fixed.  The offspring could be quite variable.  If the RIR is huge he may damage the hen if you have him running with only one or if he favours one above the others.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: TracyC on December 15, 2016, 10:17:27 am
Thanks for the replies both.  I am really looking forward to it.  We are going to do the deed on Sunday as it's the only day we have with enough time on our hands so we don't end up panicking that we're short of time.  Only thing is, Sunday is the 18th which is 1 week before we'd be eating it.  I ready that the goose at least, is best hung to avoid tough meat from the tense muscles (or something similar) bit I don't want to risk it going off.  Would you leave it a couple of day then pop it in the freezer for a couple of days?
Just bad timing this year I guess.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 15, 2016, 11:33:08 am
It shouldn't go of if it's hanged with guts in. I left a hen for 3 days recently and she was fine, but it was a bit colder than this week.
I read somewhere that temperature for hanging should be below 7C I think.
My goose last year was in the freezer for couple of weeks. Didn't hang it before that.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 15, 2016, 10:00:59 pm
Thanks for the welcome.
Re the Ross Cobbs, they were the breed that came back as best for table birds and we have found a supplier locally too which I am pleased about.
The initial plan was to get 40 day olds and put them all in the freezer at once.  We have chicken 2/3 times a week in the form of roast or diced and sliced.  I also will be batch making meals in prep for the winter.  We were not planning on keeping any back for breeding from due to the whole weight thing Dave C however my mind is wandering as I don't want to keep paying year after year (we would get 40, maybe twice a year) when we could raise them ourselves potentially.

I have a huge, huge RIR who is this years which I was considering crossed with a female Ross Cobb?  Then using the fertile eggs as meat birds - what's your thoughts on that?  Shouldn't they be crossed?

Also, we have ducks and geese and want to put 1 of each on the table for Christmas.  They were born in May so are way past their best date for slaughter I think (from what I have read).  What's everyone's thoughts on this?  We're definitely doing it, so advice on how to cook would be welcome :)

Thanks all.  Hope you're all bearing up with the whole keeping them in or covered malarkey.

MF is right you can cross anything, the problem will be getting the broiler to live long enough to breed.
Reduce there feed by only feeding twice a day, enough they can eat in 20 mins but don't feed ad lib, also move the feeders away from the roosting area and water at opposite end of run to make them excercise or even better free range, but I would give it a go and yes using a RIR cockerel will give you some random offspring but I think they will all Carry meat so go for it.

Will be an exciting project  :fc: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 18, 2016, 09:08:20 pm
Well after today's dinner we only have 2 more chickens in the freezer


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2033779/IMG_2974.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2033779/IMG_2974.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2033780/IMG_2980.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2033780/IMG_2980.JPG)

So will have to be hatching some out in a few months.
The cockerels are not doings bad considering there confinement
And the pullets are still laying 5 eggs a day from 7 hens.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on December 18, 2016, 10:22:34 pm

Firstly, sorry to tell you this but White Leghorns are not utility birds, you will get no meat from them that's worth while, what you will get is loads of large white eggs  :thumbsup:
I used to breed them and they are a very good choice for a laying breed.



D'oh. I did start getting suspicious when I saw how small they were. Are they worth slaughtering at all? I know there won't be much but there will be some won't there *clutches at straws* If I do slaughter them for meat is there a best time. Fingers crossed their sister is a good layer so the brood wasn't a complete mistake.

We are not huge breast meat eaters, but something with some good wings, legs and thighs would be good for us.

Sooner from laid to table seems better as people talk about old birds being tougher. I don't know how true that is though?

I'll look into the Indian Game x Light Sussex. Where do you get your eggs from, so far mine have been ebay gambles.

Thanks for all the advice so far.

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 19, 2016, 08:44:02 am
Leghorns and egg laying hybrid hens are not worth roasting but they will make fantastic chicken stock/soup.
I cooked that welsummer recently. Was gorgeous!
Going to market tomorrow! Planning to buy some Leghorns actually lol
They are my favourite layers
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on December 19, 2016, 08:53:05 pm
I'm sure they will lay well for you and as macgro said you might get a nice soup from the cockerels  :yum:

Next year I could help you out with some pure Indian Game to breed pure or cross with anything really.
As a pure breed you will get a nice sized bird at 16 weeks.

I will also be hatching various combinations of meat hybrids, if you read back in this thread you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Victorian Farmer on December 24, 2016, 11:55:16 pm
Would like to see Dorking breeders as well as Indian game. I don't see castle farms he has some great stock. Not seen him on the forums.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 25, 2016, 10:35:05 pm
Just a thought...
Have you guys tried breeding turkeys yourself?
I wanted to breed bourbon red or slate stag to commercial white doublbreasted hens or maybe just the old breed of hen. Once I bought a pair, female kept laying eggs every single day but the stag was to shy to mate with her. She wasn't interested with him at all!
Instead he went to mate with chickens and muscovy ducks!!! No joke! I actually have a video of him mating with my duck!
Might try turkeys this year then! New project idea  ;)

I loved that stag - he would make a fantastic pet! To fat to fly away, followed me everywhere and we loved the gobbles but as I said he was useless for breeding. Sold him as soon as I realised none of the eggs were fertile
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Marches Farmer on December 26, 2016, 05:21:51 pm
Once I bought a pair, female kept laying eggs every single day but the stag was to shy to mate with her. She wasn't interested with him at all!
Sold him as soon as I realised none of the eggs were fertile
The hen may have sensed he was unfit and refused him as a mate.  Sometimes an older hen will refuse a young stag.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on December 26, 2016, 09:26:44 pm
Once I bought a pair, female kept laying eggs every single day but the stag was to shy to mate with her. She wasn't interested with him at all!
Sold him as soon as I realised none of the eggs were fertile
The hen may have sensed he was unfit and refused him as a mate.  Sometimes an older hen will refuse a young stag.
Maybe that's what it was!
She seemed bigger than him.
His snood was missing as well, maybe she just didn't find him attractive lol

I didn't know there were so many strains of turkeys. I don't mean the heritage breeds but the strains of commercial broad brested bronze and white.

They have strains which weigh from 3 to 15kg (oven ready):
http://www.farmgatehatcheries.co.uk/default.aspx?m=3&mi=148 (http://www.farmgatehatcheries.co.uk/default.aspx?m=3&mi=148)

I always wanted to have tiny bantam turkeys  :)
Might order the smallest ones they have and keep a trio for breeding. I actually prefer turkey gobbling to cockerel crowing. Always find white turkeys nicer than bronze
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on January 06, 2017, 02:12:00 pm
hi Dave

at the begining of the thread you sent me a with a company that you buy meat and egg laying birds from
the one where they had growth charts etc

can you remember the name and possibly send me the link again

many thanks

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 06, 2017, 08:08:38 pm
Sent you a pm mate
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on January 07, 2017, 12:33:13 am
Well all in all my Leghorns ended up being an awful experiment. The boys are still small but see thier last dawn tomorrow (I'll let you know what they weigh when I am done with them) and the one girl is laying me lovely white eggs at 35g each *sigh* I am really hoping the they increase in size as she gets older but I'm not holding out hope for large eggs.

On the other hand the hybrids that came from a mixed up ebay egg order matured into two boys giving me 1.4kg and 1.7kg roast chickens and a girl giving me 65g Brown eggs.

When I get broodies next year I am thinking of putting this hen's  (Brienne) eggs under them as my Cockerel is a hefty big fella too.

Would that be foolish? I am utterly new to chicken breeding but on the face of it they are both big birds (she went straight into top hen position the day she joined the flock) and she is laying well. Do I just keep eggs at room temperature until I have a broody/enough for an incubator?

Dans

Edited as my autocorrect went wild
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on January 07, 2017, 08:33:54 am
Thanks Dave
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on January 07, 2017, 08:59:51 am
Well all in all my Leghorns ended up being an awful experiment. The boys are still small bug see thier last dawn tomorrow (I'll let you know what they weigh when I am done with them) and the one girl is laying me lovely white eggs at 35g each *sigh* I am really hoping the they increase in size as she gets older but I'm not holding out hope for large eggs.

On the other hand the hybrids that came from a mixed up ebay egg order matured into two boys giving me 1.4kg and 1.7kg roast chickens and a girl giving me 65g Brown eggs.

When I get bloodiest next year I am thinking of putting this hen's  (Brienne) under them as my Cockerel is a hefty big fella too.

Would that be foolish? I am utterly new to chicken breeding but on the face of it they are both big birds (she went straight into top hen position the day she joined the flock) and she is laying well. Do I just keep eggs at room temperature until I have a broody/enough for an incubator?

Dans
No one will stop you from trying to cross them! Just let them do it and see the results!
Yes you can store eggs in the cool place, but not the fridge as really low temperature can damage them.
Everywhere I read, the eggs start to loose their chances to hatch after 10 days. Any more time after that and they are less likely to hatch. However, I have hatched eggs which were waiting to start incubation for more than two weeks.
I want to get some Leghorns again! The one I had was laying the most massive chicken eggs I've ever had! Obviously as a young pullet her first eggs would be smaller. I've noticed the first end quality affects egg size a lot.

Btw i just read your blog! I reminds me of me feeding all my animals! When I realised my wife is giving birth, the first thing I did was to lock the hens so I don't have to worry about them later in the evening!
Now we have a 19 month old future farmer who starts to "baaaaah" in every shop whenever he sees picture of sheep goat or... dog lol
Plays with toy chickens and ducks and wears his little wellies when we go to feed the geese and rabbits.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 07, 2017, 07:32:19 pm
Good for you for raising him that way pal  :thumbsup:

Little farmers  :farmer:  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on January 07, 2017, 08:07:14 pm
At long last, I've processed one of my Jersey Giant x La bresse cockerels.  It was a little before I wanted due to needing their space to get my hens under cover, and a couple more weeks fattening up would have made a difference.

i didn't cage or force feed them in any way. They were raised on grass with mostly corn feed. The one we just ate was delicious: shaped and tasted like a La Bresse (ie big legs and narrow breast) and weighed 1.97kg dressed. It fed 3 of us royally on breast meat alone so not bad.

Not exactly "fast food" as he was around 9 months old, but I didn't expect fast results as both breeds are slow growers.

I've got another hanging and a JGxMarans to pluck and compare as well.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on January 08, 2017, 12:28:23 am
Ok so the Leghorns didn't do too badly. 1.2kg, 1.4kg and 1.6kg. I'll try them as roasts. It's mainly leg and thigh that we eat here and they look decent enough in those areas.

We have an 18 month old here, she doesn't baaa at animals yet but she certainly loves helping out with everything. She was very interested in the killing, plucking and gutting  today.

Is room temperature ok to store eggs for incubating? I could always then eat them at the end of the 10 days if there's no one feeling broody. I'm actually looking forward to the first broody of the year!  :excited:

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 08, 2017, 06:42:40 pm
That's the way Dans, start them young  :thumbsup:

Oh don't start talking about hatching!
You will set me off  :innocent:  :excited:

To be honest I wouldn't take a leghorn and try to breed it into a table or duel purpose bird.
Would be quicker just incubating some purpose bred meat bird eggs, save you a lot of time and money and you will end up with more meat on your plate.
You can then use your large cockerel on any hens you decide to keep back for next years breeding.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 08, 2017, 06:44:17 pm
At long last, I've processed one of my Jersey Giant x La bresse cockerels.  It was a little before I wanted due to needing their space to get my hens under cover, and a couple more weeks fattening up would have made a difference.

i didn't cage or force feed them in any way. They were raised on grass with mostly corn feed. The one we just ate was delicious: shaped and tasted like a La Bresse (ie big legs and narrow breast) and weighed 1.97kg dressed. It fed 3 of us royally on breast meat alone so not bad.

Not exactly "fast food" as he was around 9 months old, but I didn't expect fast results as both breeds are slow growers.

I've got another hanging and a JGxMarans to pluck and compare as well.

They sound delicious Hev  :yum:

I think all these experiments are worth trying as you don't really know what your going to get but if your happy with the results is the main thing  :thumbsup:

But would you do that cross again?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 08, 2017, 06:52:24 pm
Well I have the first victim of the lockdown.

One of my hybrid meat cockerels I kept back is having leg / hip problems.

I think it's due to being contained in his run and not free ranging, he is loosing his fitness and putting to much weight on his joints.
Luckily he is only my back up cockerel.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on January 08, 2017, 08:17:18 pm

To be honest I wouldn't take a leghorn and try to breed it into a table or duel purpose bird.
Would be quicker just incubating some purpose bred meat bird eggs, save you a lot of time and money and you will end up with more meat on your plate.
You can then use your large cockerel on any hens you decide to keep back for next years breeding.

Oh I'm staying away from the Leghorns. This is a Rhode Island Red x Copper Black Maran hen. At least that is what the egg was described as, as she is pure white I do question their claim.

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on January 09, 2017, 07:34:41 am
What colour was the egg? Leghorns lay pure white eggs. Rhode island red have the same light brown as the supermarket ones and maran as lay very dark brown!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 09, 2017, 08:41:12 am
Here is a simple genetic calculator to play with, I use it to give me a rough idea what colour outcomes I would get.

http://www.breedbook.org/?action=geneticscalculator&tab=CHICKEN (http://www.breedbook.org/?action=geneticscalculator&tab=CHICKEN)

If you click on the cockerel and put in Red, click on the hen and put in Black Copper, it shows the off spring cockerels as Red and Pullets as Black patterned Red !

So not white, sorry.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on January 10, 2017, 09:35:45 pm
At long last, I've processed one of my Jersey Giant x La bresse cockerels.  It was a little before I wanted due to needing their space to get my hens under cover, and a couple more weeks fattening up would have made a difference.

i didn't cage or force feed them in any way. They were raised on grass with mostly corn feed. The one we just ate was delicious: shaped and tasted like a La Bresse (ie big legs and narrow breast) and weighed 1.97kg dressed. It fed 3 of us royally on breast meat alone so not bad.

Not exactly "fast food" as he was around 9 months old, but I didn't expect fast results as both breeds are slow growers.

I've got another hanging and a JGxMarans to pluck and compare as well.

They sound delicious Hev  :yum:

I think all these experiments are worth trying as you don't really know what your going to get but if your happy with the results is the main thing  :thumbsup:

But would you do that cross again?

TBH, no. They took far too long to mature and didn't have enough breast. They are very tasty though!

I think I'll go for standard day old meat birds next time.  Where do you get your's from: I see you're not a million miles from me...
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 11, 2017, 03:18:59 pm
Yes I'm not far away Hev and I regularly get down your way with work so could sort you out with some when I start breeding  :thumbsup:

If your looking for sustainable healthy birds,
I'm looking to do some slow growth birds, cockerels making 2kg dressed at 14-16 weeks, pullets are smaller but make excellent layers mine have laid solidly over the winter, these are healthy birds on free range.

Also crossing them with medium growth Farm Rangers both Cockerels and hens made 2 - 3 kg dressed birds in 14 weeks.

And both of the above will also be crossed with my Indian Game as another option.
P.S my IG cockerels also make 2kg dressed in about 16 - 18 weeks.

But if your looking for pure meat birds to process the lot in one go and not keep any for eggs or breeding then S&T Poultry or Cyril Poultry are your best bet.

 hopefully I will have a few choices  :thinking: By the end of next year I should know the best combinations and I can concentrate on them and hopefully have a few less breeding pens.  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: irenemcc on January 12, 2017, 08:58:17 am
Not breeding for meat specifically more just surplus cockerels from my layers but just a wee observation. Was very suprised at just how nice and well filled my Scots Dumpy cockerels were. Nothing like a proper meat bird but even the banter had a decent covering.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Victorian Farmer on January 12, 2017, 11:58:50 am
Ive tried 3 stains of Hubbards, ja57, ja87 & Colour yield. Colour yield is the slowest, but yields much more flavour with time & free range. These were for sale Christmas farm. Market fetching £18. So dave a nother idea for cash in lean times.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on January 12, 2017, 01:11:32 pm
Well all in all my Leghorns ended up being an awful experiment. The boys are still small bug see thier last dawn tomorrow (I'll let you know what they weigh when I am done with them) and the one girl is laying me lovely white eggs at 35g each *sigh* I am really hoping the they increase in size as she gets older but I'm not holding out hope for large eggs.

On the other hand the hybrids that came from a mixed up ebay egg order matured into two boys giving me 1.4kg and 1.7kg roast chickens and a girl giving me 65g Brown eggs.

When I get bloodiest next year I am thinking of putting this hen's  (Brienne) under them as my Cockerel is a hefty big fella too.

Would that be foolish? I am utterly new to chicken breeding but on the face of it they are both big birds (she went straight into top hen position the day she joined the flock) and she is laying well. Do I just keep eggs at room temperature until I have a broody/enough for an incubator?

Dans
No one will stop you from trying to cross them! Just let them do it and see the results!
Yes you can store eggs in the cool place, but not the fridge as really low temperature can damage them.
Everywhere I read, the eggs start to loose their chances to hatch after 10 days. Any more time after that and they are less likely to hatch. However, I have hatched eggs which were waiting to start incubation for more than two weeks.
I want to get some Leghorns again! The one I had was laying the most massive chicken eggs I've ever had! Obviously as a young pullet her first eggs would be smaller. I've noticed the first end quality affects egg size a lot.

Btw i just read your blog! I reminds me of me feeding all my animals! When I realised my wife is giving birth, the first thing I did was to lock the hens so I don't have to worry about them later in the evening!
Now we have a 19 month old future farmer who starts to "baaaaah" in every shop whenever he sees picture of sheep goat or... dog lol
Plays with toy chickens and ducks and wears his little wellies when we go to feed the geese and rabbits.

i will second that we bought sheep 2 days after she gave birth
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 12, 2017, 03:47:31 pm
Ive tried 3 stains of Hubbards, ja57, ja87 & Colour yield. Colour yield is the slowest, but yields much more flavour with time & free range. These were for sale Christmas farm. Market fetching £18. So dave a nother idea for cash in lean times.

I'm all for making some extra cash VF  :thumbsup:

Thanks for the info, your right about the extra time and free ranging giving flavour, £18 per bird is a good price.
Wonder what the costs will on them birds was ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Robyn on January 13, 2017, 12:08:51 pm
I've just replaced my Utility Light Sussex trio with a trio of well bred Cuckoo Marans, purely on the basis of their dark coloured eggs being more appealing, but I still intend to hatch some offspring for meat.

To improve breast meat yield and still retain the flavour, would you suggest crossing the Cuckoo Marans with an Indian Game cockerel or do you think that a slow grow Hubbard cockerel would be a better option for me?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Hevxxx99 on January 13, 2017, 12:42:51 pm
I used a Hubbard cockerel as a cross on some hens several years ago and unsurprisingly found the results variable as Hubbards are hybrids. Or maybe they just inherited their (layer) mothers' characteristics.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 13, 2017, 01:39:49 pm
I will tell you after this breeding season as it's a cross I'm thinking of trying  :thumbsup:

I suppose it depends on what cockerels you have available!
Both should produce sex linked chicks, cockerels being barred and pullets black.

I have Slow growth Sasso cockerels and IG but it will be the Sasso I will try on my Cuckoo hens first as I will be keeping any pullets back as brown egg layers and my Sasso hens are laying machines.

What cockerels do you have available?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Robyn on January 13, 2017, 04:26:15 pm
What cockerels do you have available?

I'm starting again from scratch, having invested a lot of money in birds sold to me with a reputation of well bred utility bloodlines behind them, only to have extremely disappointing results. Therefore the only poultry I have at this moment in time are the trio of Cuckoo Marans, purchased directly from a renowned breeder of dark egg lines in Hereford.

I'm thinking of investing in a Dark Indian Game cockerel, if I can contact this Utility Line breeder. But on reading about your experiments and more so your results, I'm thinking about the possibility of buying day old Hubbard slow grow chicks and keeping the desirable birds for my meat cross. Using a hybrid sire on purebred females works with sheep, so why won't it work with poultry?.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on January 15, 2017, 04:29:07 pm
What colour was the egg? Leghorns lay pure white eggs. Rhode island red have the same light brown as the supermarket ones and maran as lay very dark brown!



If you click on the cockerel and put in Red, click on the hen and put in Black Copper, it shows the off spring cockerels as Red and Pullets as Black patterned Red !

So not white, sorry.


She came from one of the 4 brownish eggs on the right, but shes's laying darker eggs than she came from, the brown on the left. Guess she is a Heinz 57!

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on January 15, 2017, 05:13:49 pm
I used a Hubbard cockerel as a cross on some hens several years ago and unsurprisingly found the results variable as Hubbards are hybrids. Or maybe they just inherited their (layer) mothers' characteristics.
Using a hybrid sire on purebred females works with sheep, so why won't it work with poultry?.
I understand the logic behind both of these points, that's why experiments are interesting and as a wise breeder once said, 'you can eat your mistakes'.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 15, 2017, 07:46:19 pm
Coming to this thread quite late but it is a matter very close to my heart, having made the decision many years ago to give up eating commercial chicken and try and breed a decently sized table bird. Like a few folk on here I have had disappointing results despite trying many breeds - Utility Light Sussex (which I think are my favourite but I can no longer source any eggs), other Sussex types, Welsh Blacks, Jersey Giants, La Bresse, Sasso (my second favourite but again I can't source any eggs), Hubbards (good but hybrids, so further breeding producing variable results), Indian Game (the worst in my opinion as the cocks proved infertile) and then of course Ross Cobbs.

I can honestly say the last batch of RC eggs which I bought from a poultry farmer in Glos produced the most unhealthiest birds I have ever reared. Out of 18 eggs only 2 could walk normally like a chicken, the rest shuffled and limped a few paces, then sat down unable to take the weight of their bodies - this was at a few days old! We had to cull a number of them after about  a week as they seemed very distressed. I have reared RCs before not from the same place and had better results, but its doubtful I'll ever try again.

I would be very interested to source a good Utility Light or Speckled Sussex and buy some hatching eggs this spring if anyone knows of any?

Sadly I don't think there are many decent 'Utility' strains left as some folk seem to think that 'Utility' stands for a good egg layer, which is doesn't and 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 15, 2017, 08:41:37 pm
Hi Polyanya and welcome to the thread,
Your not late joining, we're just getting started  :thumbsup:

Your right about Utility strains, unfortunately most are disappointing on the table, especially the amount of breast meat.

Sorry to hear about your Indian Game experience, the show type tend to be shorter in the leg and more bulldog looking, like the dogs they have health and fertility problems.
I go for the leggier types which have more success in the old love dance  :sunshine:
Have a look back on this thread at some of the IG I'm breeding.

I also dislike the RC fast growing broilers, but am hopeful that my slower growth Sasso's pure and crossed with medium growth Sasso's or IG should produce something with a bit of meat on them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 16, 2017, 09:40:46 am
Hi and thanks Dave for the welcome, your birds do look very impressive - I think it makes a huge difference if one can see and feel the parent stock but sadly I'm not in that position. Living on Shetland I only know of one other person (who lives on one of the smaller islands which involves a ferry journey) who rears old style utility Ixworths, most folk here buy the hybrids for laying. Looking back through the 'Market' thread there were only two or three folk on here selling hatching eggs in 2016 and they were not a Utility strain. So whats the alternative - ebay - well I've been doing that for years, hence my disappointment.

My last post had a bit missed off the sentence and what I meant was - listings on ebay as a utility strain when in actual fact its just an egg laying strain and therefore much lighter.

But if you are thinking of selling any surplus eggs, I would be very interested.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on January 16, 2017, 10:14:28 am
my rule of thumb dont buy off ebay and research and seek out a reputable breeder
if the breeder is decent they will always be there with advice
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 16, 2017, 01:37:32 pm
Polyanya, I don't sell eggs through the post and it's not something I want to get into large scale.

But if I can help you out in the spring I will.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 17, 2017, 11:02:36 am
Princess - believe me I wouldn't if I didn't have to - not much option really.
Dave - I understand entirely and I thank you for the offer, I have found that if the eggs are wrapped in tissue and then into polystyrene they don't rattle and stand a much better chance, also there are some fantastic foam egg containers around for posting - have you seen them?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on January 17, 2017, 11:09:01 am
Princess - believe me I wouldn't if I didn't have to - not much option really.
Dave - I understand entirely and I thank you for the offer, I have found that if the eggs are wrapped in tissue and then into polystyrene they don't rattle and stand a much better chance, also there are some fantastic foam egg containers around for posting - have you seen them?

aye just read that your in shetland apoloogies
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 18, 2017, 10:30:08 am
 :thumbsup: Princess - no worries
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 22, 2017, 12:06:34 pm
My hybrids which I hatched last year have decided to start there moult  :thinking:

I'm pleased it's mild weather at the moment.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 22, 2017, 07:26:11 pm
From our kitchen window it looks like a miniature circus is in town with the Tarp over my Indian Game growers outside pen.

But as soon as you go anywhere near, they all want to be out   :huff:

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2041768/IMG_3042.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2041768/IMG_3042.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on January 22, 2017, 09:24:47 pm
Mild weather??? We have frosts for last couple of days!
Beautiful birds you have there!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 23, 2017, 09:18:00 am
What good looking birds  8)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: madchickenlady on January 25, 2017, 11:59:51 am
Hi all, I have found this thread really interesting - to the point of considering getting some hatching eggs and having a go at rearing some meat birds, however, a few years ago I decided to dispatch some cockerels that were surplus to requirements but they were so tough and unpalatable, also, I had a real job getting my hand in to draw them. I dispatched (well, OH did) using broom handle method cut and left to drain. Dunked in hot water and plucked then drew. I then put them in fridge to 'rest' before roasting one and freezing the other. I think they were light Sussex birds and they had been free ranging I think they were about four months old when dispatched. What did I do wrong and any suggestions on what breed to give a go please.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 25, 2017, 04:41:58 pm
Hi, at 4 months they should be tender enough, although you would be doing well to get much meat on a LS at that age, how long did you leave the carcass to rest for? I normally pluck straight after dispatch then hang overnight and gut the next day.
As for the vent, just cut it out bigger no harm done.

The breed will be down to personal preference but here are a few things to consider,
 are you looking to rear and process all birds? Or will you be keeping pullets back as layers/breeders? If so are you looking at pure breeds, crosses or hybrids?
They all have there own place but it depends what your looking for in a table bird, also time to table, weights and the amount of meat against just frame will determine what is your best option is.

If you've read this thread what's your thinking?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: 3county farm boy on January 25, 2017, 05:50:27 pm
Hi, I've read through this thread , I'm really interested now but the main question I have is can I dispatch the birds myself, I'm licensed for pretty much all animals and game but I've never performed an "on farm slaughter" if it's for myself surely it's okay?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Marches Farmer on January 25, 2017, 06:23:34 pm
I would be very interested to source a good Utility Light or Speckled Sussex and buy some hatching eggs this spring if anyone knows of any?
Sadly I don't think there are many decent 'Utility' strains left as some folk seem to think that 'Utility' stands for a good egg layer, which is doesn't
I have a good utility strain of Speckled Sussex and may have some hatching eggs available once I've put a test batch through the incubator.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on January 25, 2017, 09:44:07 pm
Hi, I've read through this thread , I'm really interested now but the main question I have is can I dispatch the birds myself, I'm licensed for pretty much all animals and game but I've never performed an "on farm slaughter" if it's for myself surely it's okay?
You don't need any license to slaughter poultry up to a certain weight on your own land where the birds were raised.
Not sure what the legal weight would be though
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: 3county farm boy on January 26, 2017, 05:56:42 pm
Thanks macgro
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 26, 2017, 06:53:11 pm
Macgro, have you decided which way your going with breeds this season pal?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on January 26, 2017, 08:18:42 pm
For now I'll just order variety of broilers and wait for the April rare breed sale and see what's available. Looking for la bresse.
Might order those turkeys. They will send me their price list once they start hatching around March time
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 27, 2017, 06:16:37 pm
I would be very interested to source a good Utility Light or Speckled Sussex and buy some hatching eggs this spring if anyone knows of any?
Sadly I don't think there are many decent 'Utility' strains left as some folk seem to think that 'Utility' stands for a good egg layer, which is doesn't
I have a good utility strain of Speckled Sussex and may have some hatching eggs available once I've put a test batch through the incubator.

Thanks Marches I love speckled sussex and would be very interested in some eggs some time in March if possible?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 27, 2017, 07:21:59 pm
I think it's great that people on this forum are starting to source quality table and DP birds through this thread  :thumbsup:

It will hopefully keep the thread going as folk update on there progress  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on January 27, 2017, 09:05:58 pm
Anyone tried jersey giants???
Wanted to get them but don't really like pure black ones. Maybe blue ones?
They grow really large lay decently. Supposed to be good for extensive free range system. Perfect for our little home farm
I mean all birds we discuss here are should be like that, right?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on January 29, 2017, 02:50:01 pm
Yeah all the birds we discuss on here free range well and my meat hybrids are surprisingly good which I really like as it keeps them fit for breeding  :fc:

I had some black JG about 12 years ago, processed them at about 26 weeks and they were a good weight but all frame and not much meat!
Which I was surprised at as the are a lot.
I think because they get so big they take an age to build their frame and then longer again to put any meat on it.
May have just been the strain I had and maybe you could improve them over a few generations, would be interesting but I'm no expert on them.

Bet a IG cross with them would put some breast meat in them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Polyanya on January 29, 2017, 05:13:10 pm
I second what Dave said re Jersey Giants - I hatched some black ones and yes they grew but sadly all frame and no meat and I always grow my utility birds to 25 or 26 weeks, so won't bother with them again.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: madchickenlady on February 01, 2017, 08:41:37 pm
I think I will probably buy in some hatching eggs this year maybe keep a couple of pullets but then would have to source an unrelated cock bird, so not sure, may just buy in hatching eggs each year. If I do get a cock it would need to be a docile type breed and not too big as I made the mistake of mismatching sizes when I first kept hens and the poor girls spent most of the time under the hedge where he couldn't get!
Not sure about type of breed either, I like the idea of keeping rare breeds to keep them going but have no experience of them and I have six mixed hens at the moment plus four bantams not sure how they mix (or not)?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 04, 2017, 09:35:18 am
If there hybrids or crosses I wouldn't worry to much about an unrelated cock bird as doubling up and sealing in those genes isn't a bad thing.

The size maybe an issue for you as a meat bird cockerel is always going to be a big lad.

You could maybe look into an Indian Game bantam  :thinking:
They are small but solid and pass on their wide double breast when crossed.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 04, 2017, 08:06:56 pm
Hi All
Just joined but have spoken to Dave C on P.P.

Very interesting post as I am breeding for meat also.
Currently trying some:

I.G x Light sussex
I.G. x La Bresse
I.G. x columbian blacktail
Jersey Giant x Light Sussex x C.B.T

Also considering some :
I.G x Speckledy
I.G. x Rhode island reds
I.G. x Plymouth Rock
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: madchickenlady on February 05, 2017, 03:40:38 pm
Thanks for the info. I think I will try to source some eggs as soon as my regular broody starts sitting. If anyone knows of any reliable sources in the Suffolk area ( I am between Bury St. Edmund's and Ipswich) for meat or laying birds I would be most interested. Have sourced eggs before at the local auction but they are not always reliable. My OH has agreed to re home two cockatiels for a mate - so I now have a bargaining chip to finally get some quail as I have read that they can live in the same aviary.  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 05, 2017, 04:44:28 pm
Hi All
Just joined but have spoken to Dave C on P.P.

Very interesting post as I am breeding for meat also.
Currently trying some:

I.G x Light sussex
I.G. x La Bresse
I.G. x columbian blacktail
Jersey Giant x Light Sussex x C.B.T

Also considering some :
I.G x Speckledy
I.G. x Rhode island reds
I.G. x Plymouth Rock

Hello mate  :thumbsup:
Some interesting crosses you have there how old are they?

Very interested to see how they compare, are they all from the same IG cockerel?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 05, 2017, 05:19:06 pm
Hi Dave
Yeah the I.G. Cockerel is to blame for all of the chicks,as I currently only have him  :-[
I have 9 four week old I.G X CBT Chicks
2 I.G X L.S
Forgot to mention 3 Four week old cobb chicks that I got from Cyril Bason as day olds,I have vowed never again as they are huge and have trouble walking already.
The slow grown birds/meat is our thing!!

The J.G X L.S. X CBT and the I.G X Bresse Have just been sold to a friend that had a visit from the fox.

I now have a clear paddock,free of badger faced sheep. Fences are being redone and shed ordered for I.G  Only.!!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 05, 2017, 06:13:01 pm
I'm guessing those are breeds you already had about the place.
I'm looking to do a Marans cross myself.

I'm with you on the Cobb hybrids not my cup of tea either.
But I do like the slow growth hybrids I did last year, they are still very healthy and the hens have laid all winter so will see if they breed true in the next few months.

What is your long term goal mate, searching for a cross that nicks together?
Also what weights and timeframes are you hoping for?
Also the IG your going to hatch are you looking for them to cross breed or try to improve them as a pure breed?

I know, I'm nosey  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 05, 2017, 07:13:04 pm
Hi
Long story,short time so here`s the quick version.
Family Business was poultry/eggs mum+dad kept a few hundred hens to supply local shops,cafe`s etc.
Dad diagnosed cancer,mum had stroke
me+mrs got laid off our long time jobs
took over business and expanded it massively
ended up selling quail to ostrich eggs (we never kept ostrich) and everything inbetween
2 years of rushing around to markets,shops,food festivals etc took its toll and I had a heart attack
sold up,moved to middle of nowhere.
self sufficiency is our thing now,our badger faced sheep we grow + eat,fruit veg etc in poly tunnel,chickens for eggs + meat as I cant stomach the mass produced C**p in the supermarkets.

I grew some I.G. x L.S last year, gave me some nice 2.2kg carcasses at 35 - 40 weeks but I did run them free range until the last 3 weeks,then kept them in the stables and upped the food.
We tend to eat a lot of chicken as I have to watch the ticker these days and refuse to buy from shops.

Always had  indian game, shamo`s  + Kulang asils as a kid and the old man would have one on the table most sundays and the taste was awesome  :thumbsup:

The indian game I want to hatch will be 50-50 some to keep pure as I really like the breed and the others to play with in crossing for meat.

 I have an incubator with some R.I.R. + Plymouth rocks due to hatch thursday which I will be trying to cross to produce meat birds also.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 05, 2017, 09:07:50 pm
Sounds like you've had a busy and rough ride pal, pleased things are looking up for you.

How did you find the carcass of the IG x LS was there much breast meat?

Think both of us will have plenty chicken dinners this year mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 05, 2017, 10:14:50 pm
The I.G. x L.S. was a decent size carcass with a fair bit of breast mate.
My L.S. are some of Fred Hams old birds + they are well built girls
A mate of mine used a modern light sussex he picked up from a place near Leominster
and he said the carcass was small.

My Mrs is jamaican so plenty of jerk chicken for me  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 07, 2017, 07:50:20 pm
Worming mine this week so will be ready to go when this dam lockdown is over  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 16, 2017, 03:58:28 pm
Charlie1234 - How are the chicks doing?


Any pics?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on February 16, 2017, 04:37:00 pm
im thinking of crossing my cou cou de rennes cockerel with some IG x LS hens
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 16, 2017, 05:10:39 pm
They sound tasty  :thumbsup:
How are they doing?

I'm looking to do something similar with my Cukoo Marans but breed them the other way round so I get Sex linked chicks.

Will be trying my Sasso hybrid Cockerel over them then a pure Indian Game cockerel to compare results.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on February 16, 2017, 05:17:02 pm
ye they are doing well mate
hitting maturity well cock bird is 3.2kg at 24 weeks
but these restrictions are doing my head in?

they could do with been out
one of the females weighs 2.5kg and has a nice covering of meat

when the chicks arrive i will feed them on a higher protien diet see if i can get them to weight a bit quicker

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 16, 2017, 09:16:37 pm
Charlie1234 - How are the chicks doing?


Any pics?

Hi Dave,
will get some pics on soon,My hatch was total **** this time,I had the eggs posted and They were either duffs or were damaged in the post.  NEVER AGAIN !!

4 chicks from 24 Eggs.  :rant:

 The hatches before were done using the same incubator but my eggs and I have been getting80 -90% Hatches all through winter.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 17, 2017, 12:27:23 pm
That's a real crappy result mate.

Did you candle them? Were they all fertile?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 17, 2017, 12:31:46 pm
ye they are doing well mate
hitting maturity well cock bird is 3.2kg at 24 weeks
but these restrictions are doing my head in?

they could do with been out
one of the females weighs 2.5kg and has a nice covering of meat

when the chicks arrive i will feed them on a higher protien diet see if i can get them to weight a bit quicker

That's some nice sized birds  :thumbsup:

I'm with you on the restrictions, mine need to run around to get breeding fit, although cracking open a few eggs the hybrid meat birds look to be fertile  :thumbsup:

Need to separate out the cockerels when the restrictions are lifted and dust off the Incy  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 17, 2017, 07:25:26 pm
That's a real crappy result mate.

Did you candle them? Were they all fertile?

I put 24 in the small incubator,candled just before placing in incubator as all seemed ok,candled at 11 days 10 were fertile,then had 4 hatch the others were part formed + dead in shell.

Incubator was calibrated before use and as I have mentioned with my eggs hatch rates were great all through the winter and I am 1800ft up a mountain.

Just the possible downside of buying eggs through the post.  ???

When I come to get my eggs from you Im sure the hatch rate will be much better.  :bow:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 18, 2017, 12:03:03 am
Has anyone ever crossed I.G with Barnevelder on here ?
I went to a mates place earlier and went on the chicken shed tour to meet his new Barnies,I have never kept them so was surprised to see how big they were and started thinking of this crossed with my I.G.  :innocent:

After coming home I googled this cross and found some interesting threads on them.
Also a few pics

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 18, 2017, 12:55:38 pm
Not sure as never had them but you would think that because the 2 breeds are so similar you would know what you would get.
Although not sure how they would be better than pure IG but you never know with hybrid vigor !

Might improve the eggs in colour and numbers.

If you have some hens available to you give it a go.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 18, 2017, 01:04:44 pm
no hens available but the eggs will be later in the season,according to the site I borrowed the pictures from the birds above are only 13 weeks old,as you said dave they look very similar also.

I might have a go with them later in the year,depending on weather.  :sunshine:  ( I run my incubator off my solar panels in the spring/summer )
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 18, 2017, 06:17:35 pm
Had a busy day today  :relief:

Built yet another covered pen onto a spare chicken house I have and knocked up some quick nest pans out of some used sheep feed buckets.

Caught up all the layers I have mixed in with the hybrid meat birds pen and the big blue Indian Game cockerel which runs with them and settled them into there new home.

This leaves only the 2 slow growth hybrid meat cockerels, there 4 hens and the 3 medium growth Sasso hens so in a few weeks the eggs from this pen will be making my first batch in the Incy.

I also have my Cukoo Marans in this pen but can easily tell there eggs apart, although I might try a few of this cross to see how they turn out  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 18, 2017, 10:48:19 pm
Few pictures I got earlier today some 5 1/2 week old I.G x L.S. and few I.G. x C.B.T. Plus 3 cobbs of the same age believe it or not.


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 19, 2017, 05:24:01 pm
I guess the white with black spotted birds are IG x LB ?

They look nice birds   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 19, 2017, 10:58:33 pm
I think so mate,got a few  IG X CBT that threw back to the CBT side colour wise anyway.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 20, 2017, 08:51:14 am
I think your IG x LS should throw sex linked chicks, cockerels being white Pullets brown.

Princessruby did this Cross and should be able to confirm.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 20, 2017, 12:51:17 pm
im not to bothered about the colour mate,they are all destined with the same Aga lol

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 20, 2017, 01:47:15 pm
I totally agree mate you can't eat the colour  ;)

But it's nice to know which birds came from which cross for future breeding plans  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 20, 2017, 11:14:12 pm
I used to have the colour issue when i sold eggs mate, we would sell out of maran eggs at the food shows we went to,within minutes but could not give white eggs away.  :coat:

My Mrs keeps tabs on who came from where and we usually ring the legs with the colour coded rings that match which batch,shed or breed.

I had a move around today and have put 1 of my fred hams light sussex hens in with my I.G. and the bresse hen in with the L.S.Cockerel,so I can try them this year.


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 20, 2017, 11:23:07 pm
Received turkey poults catalogue by post today! They are well expensive! The cheapest strain is £2.88 per day old. The most expensive is about £5.

Is it time to order this year's broilers?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 21, 2017, 10:27:55 am
Hi pal, you have plenty time to sort your Turkeys out, worth shopping around.

Broilers you can do any time.
Commercial eggs are available all year round as the parent stock are kept in controlled environments.

You decided what breeds your going for this year?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on February 21, 2017, 11:27:49 am
I think your IG x LS should throw sex linked chicks, cockerels being white Pullets brown.

Princessruby did this Cross and should be able to confirm.

yes i did the cross females come out brown and males white got some decent weights but found that i could have culled at 18 weeks as after that they didnt put much weight on

the famales are nice chunky birds

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 21, 2017, 11:33:56 am
Hi pal, you have plenty time to sort your Turkeys out, worth shopping around.

Broilers you can do any time.
Commercial eggs are available all year round as the parent stock are kept in controlled environments.

You decided what breeds your going for this year?
I'm gonna order red broilers and naked necks from piggotts. Maybe in March?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 21, 2017, 12:21:26 pm
I think your IG x LS should throw sex linked chicks, cockerels being white Pullets brown.

Princessruby did this Cross and should be able to confirm.

yes i did the cross females come out brown and males white got some decent weights but found that i could have culled at 18 weeks as after that they didnt put much weight on

the famales are nice chunky birds

Thanks princessrubyk I look forward to seeing how they get on.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 23, 2017, 06:15:50 pm
Well I was chasing a fox around at 6.45am this morning.

I heard the chicken going into panic and saw the fox in a frenzy between the 2 chicken runs and the various Arks I have set up.

I ran outside and got right up to it!
Even when I shouted it just turned and stared at me.

I had loads of time before it saw me, why didn't I get my gun out the cabinet  :rant:

Been punching myself in the face all day !!

Could have been worse, at least nothing was hurt or taken.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 23, 2017, 07:20:37 pm
I saw one just outside the house last night!

How are everyone's birds after today's weather??? I'm glad they weren't out!
We have broken fences, my polytunnel flew away! I saved it on time! Took all the cover out and put it in the shed.

Driving was reaaaaaallly bad! Lots of broken trees on the road. At least tree surgeons have a lot of business!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 23, 2017, 09:39:22 pm
Yes it's been rough pal.
Sounds like we've all had s bit of damage.

But as least the new roof I fitted on the barn at xmas is still on  :excited:

It snowed all afternoon here and now it's all frozen.

I'm picking up a new chicken house tomorrow, seen it for sale locally, don't really need one but it's a great deal  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 23, 2017, 10:08:36 pm
Snow! Wow here we had about 9 degrees all day. 7 now!
I've put up a new shed last week - thank God - it's fine!
Last year I lost my (then) muscovy female in a storm weaker than today. That's why I'm so glad I didn't let the birds out! Otherwise the flying fence panels might have squished them
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on February 24, 2017, 10:34:39 am
IT MUST BE IN THE AIR
I WAS PUTTING MY LITTLE ONE TO BED AND HEARD AN ALMIGHTY KICK OFF AND THOUGHT MY DUCKS HAD BEEN GOT AT
BUT THE NOISE WAS COMING FROM THE WOOD AT THE SIDE OF ME SO WENT ROUND AND THERE WAS AT  LEAST HALF DOZEN FOXES GOING FOR IT
CANT SHOOT THEM AS ITS COUNCIL PARKLAND
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 24, 2017, 11:03:42 am
Is it around now when foxes have their young? I thought they start around March April
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Jukes Mum on February 24, 2017, 11:09:10 am
They were mate calling earlier than usual, so its reasonable to assume they could be having cubs now.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 24, 2017, 11:51:08 am
Well they whole year has been very strange. Friston very cold and wet spring. Then hot and dry summer.
Confusing winter. Frost one week, next week 14 degrees, next week snow. That ridiculous storm yesterday! What's gonna be next?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 25, 2017, 08:17:38 pm
Has anyone ever crossed I.G with Barnevelder on here ?
I went to a mates place earlier and went on the chicken shed tour to meet his new Barnies,I have never kept them so was surprised to see how big they were and started thinking of this crossed with my I.G.  :innocent:

After coming home I googled this cross and found some interesting threads on them.
Also a few pics


Was talking to a lad today who breeds barnavelders but said he breeds for lacing not utility. Said he has heard that http://greenmeadowpoultry.co.uk (http://greenmeadowpoultry.co.uk) have a good utility strain.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on February 25, 2017, 08:58:53 pm
Cheers for that Dave  :excited:
Will give them a ring and see what they got available,im due a trip to visit family down that way so could take a detour  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on February 26, 2017, 07:30:43 pm
Cou cou de Rennes
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on February 26, 2017, 10:20:12 pm
Cou cou de Rennes
Very nice, I really like that pullet's shape and deep body.
If I didn't know any different I would have said they were Cuckoo Marans.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 26, 2017, 10:56:40 pm
Cou cou de Rennes

Really looking forward to seeing how your first few batches of chicks turn out.  :thumbsup:

Parent stock are looking good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 28, 2017, 08:53:46 am
One of my meat hybrids laid this beauty this morning


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2050257/IMG_3242.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2050257/IMG_3242.JPG)

It weighed in at 107g, can't remember having one as big before.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on February 28, 2017, 10:07:07 am
Hi.
Quite a few of you contributing to this subject have experience of keeping Muscovy ducks.
What are the positives and negatives of keeping this breed as opposed to any other duck breed?
I've never kept ducks before, but having digested various sources of information, I quite fancy a trio of lavender and blue Muscovy ducks. The colour choice is just because it's easy on the eye, they will be kept primarily for meat, but we shall also make use of the eggs that are surplus to hatching requirements.
Any advice will be gratefully accepted.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on February 28, 2017, 10:55:29 am
Macgro7 and PrincessrubyK have them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on February 28, 2017, 10:59:59 am
i have them the meat is lovely but they eat a tonne
i suppose also it depends or room
they can soon turn grass and waterholes into mud pits

i am actually thinking of selling mine
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 28, 2017, 11:49:48 am
Hi.
Quite a few of you contributing to this subject have experience of keeping Muscovy ducks.
What are the positives and negatives of keeping this breed as opposed to any other duck breed?
I've never kept ducks before, but having digested various sources of information, I quite fancy a trio of lavender and blue Muscovy ducks. The colour choice is just because it's easy on the eye, they will be kept primarily for meat, but we shall also make use of the eggs that are surplus to hatching requirements.
Any advice will be gratefully accepted.
Muscovies are completely different species than other ducks!
Very very different birds!
They are great to breed for meat. I have blue pastel and lavender ones.
They are big.  Drakes fight with each other at this time of the year.
I like them because they are very quiet. Always hatch their own eggs and grow quite fast.
They will never be good if you keep them just for eggs as they only lay a clutch of about dozen to 20 and then go broody. They will lay maybe twice a year and no more. No more eggs for the whole year!
Where abouts in the country are you? I can supply you with a blue or pastel or black ones
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on February 28, 2017, 12:43:56 pm
Thank you guys for your response.
I live in the heart of Montgomeryshire in Mid Wales and I know of a trio I could buy for what I consider to be very little money, which makes it even more tempting.
macgro7, all the points you make are the same positives that drew me towards muscovy ducks and I don't really mind if all the eggs are incubated as I keep a few hens for eggs.
I'll sort these trio out pretty sharpish, before someone else also thinks they are cheap.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on February 28, 2017, 01:56:04 pm
Bare in mind they can fly and some of them might roost like chickens lol
Especially females as they are much lighter.

You live in a nice place then!
They are very strong birds! Much stronger to hold than geese and they have sharp claws! All those muscles make then very tasty though lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 02, 2017, 06:03:00 pm
I know it's all about utility but I still like a nice looking bird, so just deciding which cockerel to put with my IG Pullets.
I'm going to breed more Blue Laced this year.
They say a Dark cockerel over blue hens produce the best lacing.

But I like this pullet and she is the result of a Blue x Blue so I'm not sure  :thinking:

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2050842/IMG_3170.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2050842/IMG_3170.JPG)

Don't worry both cockerels are huge so I won't be neglecting my meat project  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 02, 2017, 09:51:07 pm
Nice looking bird that Dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 05, 2017, 08:22:42 pm
Quote from: Dave C:345836
Picked this guy up this morning when he got stuck in the barn.
Oh man he has some breast meat on him.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027925/IMG_2767.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027925/IMG_2767.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027926/IMG_2768.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2027926/IMG_2768.JPG)

Well I was down to the last 2 in the freezer but just had this for Dinner, so will have to get hatching.

This plate is just the breast meat, which carves beautifully not like supermarket rubbish.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2051594/IMG_3269.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2051594/IMG_3269.JPG)

Look how dark the leg and thigh meat is.
Full of flavour.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2051595/IMG_3270.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2051595/IMG_3270.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 05, 2017, 09:07:10 pm
Nice to see chicken that resembles the chicken I had as a kid,proper dark meat and as you say Dave full of flavour  :thumbsup:

Only 6 days until I process my cobbs,I will put some pictures up when they are done.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on March 06, 2017, 12:35:51 pm
You live in a nice place then!
Bare in mind they can fly and some of them might roost like chickens lol
Especially females as they are much lighter.

Yes, we live in a beautiful place, I don't believe there's many better.

Well I went ahead and purchased the lavender muscovy trio, I'm very excited about this new project and hopefully in the not too distant future, we'll have a lot of tasty duck meat.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 06, 2017, 12:41:43 pm
Very nice  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to hearing how you get on.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: madchickenlady on March 06, 2017, 08:56:21 pm
Lovely looking birds.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on March 06, 2017, 10:02:15 pm
Thank you.
I'm pleased with them and hopefully when this bird flu ban is over, they can make the most of our paddock and stream.

Dave C, those meat birds of yours look pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 07, 2017, 12:05:59 am
Thanks, they taste pretty dam good as well  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 08, 2017, 09:25:05 pm
Now I've sorted out my Indian Game breeding pen I have put 2 nice cockerels in the for sale section.

Perfect for cross breeding for table birds.

I might be able to deliver/ meet up most places in north England as I travel through work.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on March 08, 2017, 09:36:43 pm
Are you planning to pass by leicester or nottingham anytime soon?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 08, 2017, 09:44:45 pm
Hi Mate, Chesterfield is about as far south on the M1 as I get.

Any good to you?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on March 09, 2017, 10:03:02 am
first cou cou de rennes egg this morning
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 09, 2017, 11:32:39 am
Excellent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 09, 2017, 06:50:17 pm
My speckledy pullets have just started laying today also,must be the sunshine. :sunshine:
They are growing well and look quite meaty so later in the season I might put a few of the eggs in the incubator.
Anyone tried I.G. x Speckledy as meat birds ??
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 12, 2017, 03:12:28 pm
What's your plans for this year?
Re stocking, improving type, egg numbers or meat birds?


I will be setting my first batch tomorrow.
It will have eggs crossed between my two French free range meat hybrids (Gallic x Farm Rangers)
This will be the second year project and tell me whether they can be kept sustainable, they survived the year and laid all winter so if the finish at the same weight x time ratio they will prove to be the excellent duel purpose birds.

I'm also starting a second project crossing my Galic x Cuckoo Marans.
The Marans are from a good utility stock so should produce black Pullets of good laying brown eggs and Barred cockerels of a good meaty weight.
If they are successful I will keep a barred cockerel back to breed back over the black hens producing double genes of meat bird and dark layers.
Well that's the plan ha.
All The offspring will all be barred, so also uniforming colour.

Another interesting year   :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 12, 2017, 05:39:14 pm
sounds like you have it all planned out Dave  :thumbsup:
Im starting my Indian game x Barnevelder project from scratch I have barnie + a few indian game eggs in incy now
Then I also want to breed a few I.G. for around the paddock as I grew up with them and a few cockerels im sure will make it to the oven.

Look forward to putting a few of your I.G. and your Gallic x Farm Rangers through my incy too mate  :innocent:

I processed my 8 week old cobbs x2 today and what whoppers they were. :hungry:

picture is of the 1st one,8 weeks old ans weighing just shy of 4kg.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 12, 2017, 05:43:56 pm
Second one weighing 3Kg
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on March 13, 2017, 10:08:11 am
I'm also starting a second project crossing my Galic x Cuckoo Marans.
The Marans are from a good utility stock so should produce black Pullets of good laying brown eggs and Barred cockerels of a good meaty weight.
If they are successful I will keep a barred cockerel back to breed back over the black hens producing double genes of meat bird and dark layers.
Well that's the plan ha.
All The offspring will all be barred, so also uniforming colour.

Hi Dave.
This is a project which I'll be keeping a close eye on as it's something I'm seriously thinking of doing next year, but I'm undecided which french meat hybrid would best suit the project. I've a trio of very nice cuckoo marans from renowned breeder Kevin Bowkett and 7 quality cuckoo marans growers from Heber Hargreaves, both from dark egg strains and producing eggs in reasonable numbers, but cuckoo marans are not winter layers, hence my question, 'which of the 2 french hybrid meat birds did you find to be the best winter layer and why have you chosen the gallic in preference to the farm ranger for this project?' Another option for me could be the 'Greybro' from Piggots Poultry which looks good on paper, it's hardy, a good ranger and could produce a 3kg carcase in 13 weeks.
Are you using cuckoo marans cockerels or hens in your cross?
Regards,
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 13, 2017, 11:54:19 am
sounds like you have it all planned out Dave  :thumbsup:
Im starting my Indian game x Barnevelder project from scratch I have barnie + a few indian game eggs in incy now
Then I also want to breed a few I.G. for around the paddock as I grew up with them and a few cockerels im sure will make it to the oven.

Look forward to putting a few of your I.G. and your Gallic x Farm Rangers through my incy too mate  :innocent:

I processed my 8 week old cobbs x2 today and what whoppers they were. :hungry:

picture is of the 1st one,8 weeks old ans weighing just shy of 4kg.

Nicely dressed birds mate  :thumbsup:
and good weights.

Did you get barnie eggs or Pullets?

Yes I will sort you some Galic x Farm Rangers out, I'm going to call them Bishop Rangers and my eggs are going in the incy tonight  :excited:

Also got my first IG egg today  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 13, 2017, 02:46:13 pm
I'm also starting a second project crossing my Galic x Cuckoo Marans.
The Marans are from a good utility stock so should produce black Pullets of good laying brown eggs and Barred cockerels of a good meaty weight.
If they are successful I will keep a barred cockerel back to breed back over the black hens producing double genes of meat bird and dark layers.
Well that's the plan ha.
All The offspring will all be barred, so also uniforming colour.

Hi Dave.
This is a project which I'll be keeping a close eye on as it's something I'm seriously thinking of doing next year, but I'm undecided which french meat hybrid would best suit the project. I've a trio of very nice cuckoo marans from renowned breeder Kevin Bowkett and 7 quality cuckoo marans growers from Heber Hargreaves, both from dark egg strains and producing eggs in reasonable numbers, but cuckoo marans are not winter layers, hence my question, 'which of the 2 french hybrid meat birds did you find to be the best winter layer and why have you chosen the gallic in preference to the farm ranger for this project?' Another option for me could be the 'Greybro' from Piggots Poultry which looks good on paper, it's hardy, a good ranger and could produce a 3kg carcase in 13 weeks.
Are you using cuckoo marans cockerels or hens in your cross?
Regards,

Hi SR, they were both good winter layers the Farm Rangers producing more double yokers and ate more so as layers I prefer the Gallic.

I will be using the Gallic cockerel for the cross, I didn't keep any Farm Ranger cockerels as there movement wasn't good enough for a long term project.
He will be going over the Marans hens to produce the sex linked chicks.

I also have the option of IG x Marans but my plans include good egg production as well as meat so I'm going with the Galic cross first.
I'm hoping the Galic x FR will be an ideal Duel Purpose bird for me.

The Greybro look about the same ratios as the Farm Rangers so cockerels might be a challenge to keep long term.
But you could just process the cockerels and keep the Pullets to see how they go, then use a Cuckoo Marans cockerel over them next year.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 13, 2017, 05:49:58 pm
sounds like you have it all planned out Dave  :thumbsup:
Im starting my Indian game x Barnevelder project from scratch I have barnie + a few indian game eggs in incy now
Then I also want to breed a few I.G. for around the paddock as I grew up with them and a few cockerels im sure will make it to the oven.

Look forward to putting a few of your I.G. and your Gallic x Farm Rangers through my incy too mate  :innocent:

I processed my 8 week old cobbs x2 today and what whoppers they were. :hungry:

picture is of the 1st one,8 weeks old ans weighing just shy of 4kg.

Nicely dressed birds mate  :thumbsup:
and good weights.

Did you get barnie eggs or Pullets?

Yes I will sort you some Galic x Farm Rangers out, I'm going to call them Bishop Rangers and my eggs are going in the incy tonight  :excited:

Also got my first IG egg today  :innocent:
Cheers Dave  :thumbsup:
Had to hand pluck them as my homemade plucker wouldnt work on for some reason or it saw the size of the cobbs and didnt want anything to do with it.
They plucked very easily but the 1 did tear a bit.

I got some Barnie eggs off an old mate back in Gloucester,the parents were big birds.
He has processed a few cockerels and reckons they were 3Kg + but obviously not as quick growing as the cobbs or your Gallic or Rangers but I am patient  :innocent: but with all of the other stuff im hatching I should be alright for chicken for a while.

Glad your I.G. have started laying,must be all the  :sunshine:


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on March 13, 2017, 10:35:36 pm
Hi SR, they were both good winter layers the Farm Rangers producing more double yokers and ate more so as layers I prefer the Gallic.

I will be using the Gallic cockerel for the cross, I didn't keep any Farm Ranger cockerels as there movement wasn't good enough for a long term project.
He will be going over the Marans hens to produce the sex linked chicks.

I also have the option of IG x Marans but my plans include good egg production as well as meat so I'm going with the Galic cross first.
I'm hoping the Galic x FR will be an ideal Duel Purpose bird for me.

The Greybro look about the same ratios as the Farm Rangers so cockerels might be a challenge to keep long term.
But you could just process the cockerels and keep the Pullets to see how they go, then use a Cuckoo Marans cockerel over them next year.
Thank you Dave.
My intention was to use my cuckoo marans hens as the female line and a meat hybrid sire. Taking on board the mobility problems with the farm ranger males, the double yolk eggs of the females and knowing that they consume more feed, they are not ideal genetics to breed into a proposed dual purpose farmyard bird. That realistically leaves the Gallic as the preferred choice of cock bird for the cross.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 14, 2017, 09:56:18 am
That was my thinking pal.
But there is no hard and fast rules with breeding from hybrids so will be interesting when my eggs hatch.
Even my Galic x Galic won't breed exact Galic.

If you like the sound of the Greybro I would give them a go as a meat batch, then at about 12 weeks if any look a little lighter with better movement keep them back, give them as much free range as possible and don't overfeed, just see how they go and worst case scenario you can always eat them  :thumbsup:

I think Piggotts do a slower growth bird as well.
You could keep a slower growth cockerel to put over the Greybro Pullets, similar to my project.

But I think Crosslings any hybrid to a pure breed should reduce the  exaggerations and make for healthier birds, the trick will be not to reduce them too much.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on March 14, 2017, 02:51:36 pm
Totally in agreement with you.

Lambing takes priority now for a while, so I might not be on here as often as I'd like.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 14, 2017, 04:01:57 pm
Well hopefully I will have some results for you to think about soon enough  :fc:

Good luck with your lambing.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 15, 2017, 08:36:05 pm
sounds like you have it all planned out Dave  :thumbsup:
Im starting my Indian game x Barnevelder project from scratch I have barnie + a few indian game eggs in incy now
Then I also want to breed a few I.G. for around the paddock as I grew up with them and a few cockerels im sure will make it to the oven.

Look forward to putting a few of your I.G. and your Gallic x Farm Rangers through my incy too mate  :innocent:

I processed my 8 week old cobbs x2 today and what whoppers they were. :hungry:

picture is of the 1st one,8 weeks old ans weighing just shy of 4kg.

Nicely dressed birds mate  :thumbsup:
and good weights.

Did you get barnie eggs or Pullets?

Yes I will sort you some Galic x Farm Rangers out, I'm going to call them Bishop Rangers and my eggs are going in the incy tonight  :excited:

Also got my first IG egg today  :innocent:
Cheers Dave  :thumbsup:
Had to hand pluck them as my homemade plucker wouldnt work on for some reason or it saw the size of the cobbs and didnt want anything to do with it.
They plucked very easily but the 1 did tear a bit.

I got some Barnie eggs off an old mate back in Gloucester,the parents were big birds.
He has processed a few cockerels and reckons they were 3Kg + but obviously not as quick growing as the cobbs or your Gallic or Rangers but I am patient  :innocent: but with all of the other stuff im hatching I should be alright for chicken for a while.

Glad your I.G. have started laying,must be all the  :sunshine:

When's the Barnie eggs due to hatch mate ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 15, 2017, 08:52:50 pm
They are due on 25th mate + the I.G. eggs i got.
Just hoping i get a better result than the posted eggs i got from ebay.

Will get pictures on if its a decent hatch  :thumbsup:



Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 15, 2017, 09:01:27 pm
Mine are just over a week after yours, so exciting times ahead buddy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 15, 2017, 09:14:13 pm
The second incy is full of bresse eggs and should hatch near the end of the month so between us we are gona have our hands + freezers full  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 15, 2017, 09:43:45 pm
Fingers crossed mate.

Are they IG x La Bresse?

Robin on here 2 years ago did that cross and was very happy with them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 15, 2017, 09:52:04 pm
These are just bresse mate not cross bred.
Had quite a bit of interest from local people looking to buy chicks so could be a quick earner if not a freezer filler  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 15, 2017, 09:55:38 pm
Yes I've seen chicks being sold for silly money, un sexed.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 15, 2017, 10:19:00 pm
I think the locals to me just like the look of them,they didnt know anything of the breed and I dont think they want them for eating as they seem a bit squeemish..If they let me down they`ll fill the freezer so win win for me.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 15, 2017, 10:24:45 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 17, 2017, 10:21:27 pm
Culled my two reserve IG cockerels tonight.
Could of advertised them locally, as they are always in demand.
but decided to cull them for the table, as I'm trying to eat as much home grown chicken as possible.

These birds were only on Layers pellets, living free range and chased Pullets around all day.
So I was very pleased with the 3.8kg & 3.3kg live weights.
I will be processing them in the morning but by the feels of them, the amount of Breast meat on them is very pleasing for a pure traditional breed.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 18, 2017, 07:27:42 pm
Jointed up the 2 Indian Game cockerels I culled yesterday.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2054907/IMG_3383.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2054907/IMG_3383.JPG)

Stir fry tonight, bit of dinner tomorrow and hopefully some left for a nice soup.

Rest of the carcasses go to the dogs (raw) so nothing is waisted.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on March 18, 2017, 07:49:34 pm
They look really nice!
I was eating and old laying hen soup today lol
Really nice!

I'm picking up a la bresse trio next week! Yay!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 18, 2017, 10:56:57 pm
Jointed up the 2 Indian Game cockerels I culled yesterday.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2054907/IMG_3383.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2054907/IMG_3383.JPG)

Stir fry tonight, bit of dinner tomorrow and hopefully some left for a nice soup.

Rest of the carcasses go to the dogs (raw) so nothing is waisted.

Nice one dave,looks like a nice bit of chicken  :thumbsup:

Was given a LF silkie cockerel my mate had despatched earlier today so be intresting to see if they taste any different to white meat birds..Any views ??

Bit P****d off today,came home from town  and my incubator has gone wrong and my eggs are fried,incy had soared to 42`c, took eggs out and candled them but no movement at all  :gloomy:

only had it serviced a few weeks before loading it up !!!!

Only had 1 week left til hatching,hoping the other incy keeps going  :hshoe:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on March 18, 2017, 11:17:45 pm
Oh no!!!!!

Sorry for your hatch...


I had silkie once. Young one was injured by other chickens so had to dispatch it. It tasked the same as any other chicken but either eat it with your eyes closed or be prepared for really weird looking meat. Spooky!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 18, 2017, 11:49:37 pm
Haha, I'm with you on that one macgro7  :yuck:

That's really bad crack Charlie 1234 about your hatch, which eggs where they ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 18, 2017, 11:58:01 pm
They look really nice!
I was eating and old laying hen soup today lol
Really nice!

I'm picking up a la bresse trio next week! Yay!

Nice one pal, please you have decided on a breed.

I bred La Bresse a few years ago and get asked for them all the time.
The problem is most breeders are aiming for eggs (to sell hatching eggs) not duel purpose birds,
Mine weee as good a layer as leghorns and hefty cockerels as well, but I had fertility problems.

Macgro7, I know you will be breeding  for meat qualities and I'm sure they will do well for you.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 19, 2017, 09:53:11 am
Well one of the breasts did 3 of us in the stir fry.

The flavour was lovely  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 19, 2017, 07:51:32 pm
They are due on 25th mate + the I.G. eggs i got.
Just hoping i get a better result than the posted eggs i got from ebay.

Will get pictures on if its a decent hatch  :thumbsup:

Have you candled them yet mate?
How they looking?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on March 20, 2017, 09:43:50 am

Bit P****d off today,came home from town  and my incubator has gone wrong and my eggs are fried,incy had soared to 42`c, took eggs out and candled them but no movement at all  :gloomy:

only had it serviced a few weeks before loading it up !!!!

Only had 1 week left til hatching,hoping the other incy keeps going  :hshoe:

How are things looking by now?
Were you able to relocate the eggs and keep the embryos alive?
Temperature of 42'C in the incubator for a short while shouldn't have affected the growing embryos, however had the temperature inside the eggs risen to 42'C it would have been fatal.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 20, 2017, 12:22:22 pm
Most of the eggs were knackered,candled them + no movement.
Barnevelders and La Bresse,
I did manage to save 9 by putting them in my other incy but they are due to hatch this week so had to borrow an incy for the 9 eggs i saved.

Hi Dave C
I have candled the IG eggs and I have 8 or 9 fertile + several barnies.
Just hoping for a decent hatch

I suppose it could have been a lot worse
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 20, 2017, 06:52:15 pm
Sounds like your having a rough time of it pal.

I feel your frustration, I had loads of incy problems last year.

Fingers crossed you get something out at the end of the week  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 20, 2017, 08:18:09 pm
New parts are ordered and should be here in the morning.
So should be good for another 12 months  :fc:

Might have to get another new incy as a back up  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 22, 2017, 09:37:01 am
New parts are ordered and should be here in the morning.
So should be good for another 12 months  :fc:

Might have to get another new incy as a back up  :innocent:

Got my new car from garage and decided to take a nice drive to visit family+ friends,had a lovely day out  :thumbsup:

Until i got home,my second incy has packed up just days short of hatching,eggs were cold,so been off for quite a time  :rant:

Candled and warm water tested the eggs and every one is dead !!

Then the parts for the 2nd incy were delivered and they are the wrong ones  :gloomy:

Was so  looking forward to my Barnie + I.G Chicks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 22, 2017, 07:59:06 pm
Oh no mate, that's terrible news  :gloomy:

So what dose that leave you with?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 22, 2017, 07:59:52 pm
This is Blue Boy, who has taken the place of the Dark cockerels in my fridge.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2055843/IMG_3394.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2055843/IMG_3394.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2055844/IMG_3410.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2055844/IMG_3410.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2055845/IMG_3413.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2055845/IMG_3413.JPG)


Let's hope he dose the business.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 22, 2017, 10:31:36 pm
Nice healthy looking birds mate,i bet they are glad to get in that sunshine.

seems like my IG plans are not currently running to plan !!!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 22, 2017, 11:10:45 pm
Oh no mate, that's terrible news  :gloomy:

So what dose that leave you with?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 23, 2017, 10:30:15 am
Ive got 5 eggs of possible survivors mate..

1x   I.G
2 x bresse
2x  barnie

I have phoned the people who serviced the incubators + gave them what for  :innocent:
I am being refunded the service charge but not for loss of eggs.

Just waiting for the postie so I can get the incy repaired and run it for a week or 2 to see how it performs.
I have just ordered several spares for both incys as back up.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on March 24, 2017, 09:01:13 pm
I picked up a quartet of laying bresse.
They are massive meaty heavy birds!
Although not the youngest they are still laying so will set a first clutch once I have a dozen  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 24, 2017, 09:59:43 pm
I picked up a quartet of laying bresse.
They are massive meaty heavy birds!
Although not the youngest they are still laying so will set a first clutch once I have a dozen  :fc:

Got 1 bresse hen and she`s a big girl and lays every day without fail.
Good luck with them mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 24, 2017, 10:13:29 pm
From the 5 eggs I managed to save after incy failure I have 2 hatched and 2 more pipped.

I now have:
 1 bresse chick
 1 I.G. chick

will keep you all posted.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 24, 2017, 11:49:51 pm
Had my last lot of chicks out in the sunshine earlier,about 5 weeks old now.
3 rir
1 l.s.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 25, 2017, 11:02:14 am
I picked up a quartet of laying bresse.
They are massive meaty heavy birds!
Although not the youngest they are still laying so will set a first clutch once I have a dozen  :fc:

Good luck with them mate  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 25, 2017, 11:04:16 am
Had my last lot of chicks out in the sunshine earlier,about 5 weeks old now.
3 rir
1 l.s.

Nice looking chicks pal  :thumbsup:

Really crap news about your hatch.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 25, 2017, 01:08:17 pm
Cheers dave,I think ive got 2 rir cocks and 1 L.s cock so will be a bit more for the freezer.

Im still really fed up with the hatch,the incubators + the service guy.

I have now fitted the parts and found some loose solder on the circuit,so soldered it back in place, also a wire had been vibrating and was bare in places so thats sorted. Ran it all day yesterday + lastnight,just loaded it up with some eggs for a friend. if all goes well then i will be after some IG eggs to put in it.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 25, 2017, 03:02:37 pm
Yes mate will sort you some out.
When my batch hatch in 10 days I will be filling my incy with them, if fertile.
Cockerel has only been with them a week so will check eggs next weekend.

If all goes well might be able to sort you some chicks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 25, 2017, 03:12:30 pm
Thanks Dave
now i have a reliable car I can pop out to meet you anytime  :thumbsup:

Probably safer with chicks lol.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on March 28, 2017, 09:55:30 pm
A dozen coucou de Rennes going in the incy tomorrow

Along with half dozen silver kraienkoppe bantams
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on March 29, 2017, 08:14:10 am
I am furious! Went out half an hour ago to let the birds out and saw a fox holding my brand new la bresse hen! It killed five hens! I only have one red layer hen and la bresse cock left. at least he's fine! I think because he was sleeping separately from the girls as he wasn't happy with me - I put a now crow collar on him last evening (which worked well by the way).
I don't know what to do... just bought those hens the other day!
What's the best way of getting rid of the fox???? I saw it the other day just before going to work, today at 7 again. It's become to cheeky
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 29, 2017, 08:49:51 am
Oh that's terrible mate  :rant:
Your having no look at all.

I had the same trouble a month or so ago, it was coming round my place every other morning at around 6.15am, I watched it 3 times.
The 4th I was waiting with the gun.

Traps are expensive but you can download plans to make them.

If your not into shooting do you know anyone local who is ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 29, 2017, 08:54:16 am
A dozen coucou de Rennes going in the incy tomorrow

Along with half dozen silver kraienkoppe bantams

Good luck with them mate  :fc:
Looking forward to seeing the De Rennes progress.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 29, 2017, 09:00:22 am
Well my Meat Hybrid cockerel is doing his job, candled the eggs last week and 23 out of 24 were developing from him.  :relief:

More than I can say about my Blue Laced Wyndotte bantams  :gloomy:
They were all clear.
But I checked yesterday an saw a nice bullseye in the yoke, so will be setting another batch away in 2 weeks along with my IG.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on March 29, 2017, 09:24:35 am
Oh that's terrible mate  :rant:
Your having no look at all.

I had the same trouble a month or so ago, it was coming round my place every other morning at around 6.15am, I watched it 3 times.
The 4th I was waiting with the gun.

Traps are expensive but you can download plans to make them.

If your not into shooting do you know anyone local who is ?
I can shoot it with an air rifle but can't use a shot gun as we are in the city.
I borrowed a life trap from my mate and caught a fox in it once. I think I'll set it again.
Am I allowed to catch fixes with snares?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on March 29, 2017, 04:52:25 pm
Well my Meat Hybrid cockerel is doing his job, candled the eggs last week and 23 out of 24 were developing from him.  :relief:

More than I can say about my Blue Laced Wyndotte bantams  :gloomy:
They were all clear.
But I checked yesterday an saw a nice bullseye in the yoke, so will be setting another batch away in 2 weeks along with my IG.

Nice to hear some good news mate  :thumbsup:

Out of the 5 eggs I managed to save I had 4 hatch out. 1 is IG..2x Bresse and 1 that is supposed to be a barnie but looks more like a jersey giant.

Got 24 eggs in my incy for a mate and noticed this morning that they were not turning properly,I was getting ready for it to be something major but it turned out the plastic sleeve on the motor had worked loose,so a bit of super glue and all is well  :hshoe:

macgro7
I would load up the trap with some chicken guts but put it in a dish or something so it can not be dragged through the sides of the trap,foxes are very smart and if they can get to the food without entering the trap they will find a way.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on March 30, 2017, 09:32:35 pm
The IGxLS hens from last year are laying some great big eggs
Incy is on 14 cou cou de Rennes 10 silver kraienkoppe
Hopefully fertility will be good
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on March 30, 2017, 11:05:16 pm
Looking forward to seeing the de Rennes chick outcome  :thumbsup:

What's the plans for the IGxLS this season are you breeding them back to anything?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on March 31, 2017, 06:54:13 pm
Think I will put the cou cou de Rennes in with them
See what happens
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 01, 2017, 07:00:10 pm
My Meat Hybrid x Meat Hybrid project year 2 is about to kick off.

I'm pleased as well, feels like we talked about it for long enough  :excited:

Eggs due to hatch Monday  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 01, 2017, 07:43:10 pm
Fingers crossed for you mate  :fc: .... :thumbsup:

Look forward to hearing how it goes.

Just had my light sussex cockerel for tea and man he was tough,had to pressure cook it in the end.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 01, 2017, 09:44:17 pm
Wow didn't think he was that old ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 02, 2017, 02:53:08 pm
only a couple of year old mate but tough as old boots until he was pressure cooked.
Im currently having a clear up of all the unwanted or lazy birds and putting them in the freezer.
Pressure washing the 2 stables out again,cleaning all the brooder kits,feeders,drinkers etc.

Also candled the 24 eggs in my incubator that im incubating for a mate and 21 fertile so im glad after the recent set backs that the incubator is running nicely again + the back up incy has just had some shiny new bits + is running great also.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 03, 2017, 04:30:11 pm

After all of my Wyndotte banty eggs were clear   :yuck:

It left 21 eggs in the incy

So we have my Sasso slow growth Hybrid x Sasso medium growth Hybrid eggs which I will call Bishop Rangers for short   :relief:
And Sasso slow growth Hybrid x Cukoo Marans which I will call Bishop Blacks (but depends what colour they really turn out)   :thinking:

So far I have 14 chicks out with the remaining all piped :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 03, 2017, 05:54:48 pm
Thats great news mate well done  :thumbsup:
Look forward to seeing the pics

Shame about the wyandottes mate but maybe need a bit more  :sunshine: to get em going.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 04, 2017, 12:19:12 pm
Ended up with 19 I think, so happy with that.

Every one of the Meat Hybrid crosses hatched  :thumbsup:

With the Marans cross, they are all white with faint black spots except 1 that's pure black.
With them being Sex linked I'm thinking that might be the only Pullet  :thinking:

Would be typical.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 04, 2017, 02:47:31 pm
Excellent result mate  :thumbsup:
plenty of  :hungry:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 06, 2017, 08:00:52 pm
Been away 2 days and just come back to some massive looking Bishop Ranger chicks ha.

They are very laid back and friend just like meat birds should be.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 06, 2017, 08:02:42 pm
Just done the bullseye check on all 7 of the Indian Game eggs laid today and all look fertile  :thumbsup:

Think the incy could be back on next week  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 07, 2017, 11:16:13 am
Great news Dave  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on April 07, 2017, 02:01:40 pm
[member=82026]Dave C[/member]  you know those pullets and cockerel you kept from last year's broilers where they both pullet galouse and red rangers? I'm thinking of ordering some of each probably after easter from S&T poultry.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 07, 2017, 05:53:22 pm
Yes that's just there names for them, they are really Sasso T551 and Sasso X431A.

I have chicks off the birds I kept back now.

 Growing like weeds  :thumbsup:

There is pro's & cons of both but I'm hoping a cross between them will be a perfect Duel Purpose bird.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 07, 2017, 06:51:37 pm
Look forward to seeing how they progress mate. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 07, 2017, 07:58:04 pm
Yes fingers crossed my Bishop Rangers have a bit of meat on them, but you'll be finding out for yourself in a few weeks mate   :chook:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 07, 2017, 08:56:14 pm
Iam Looking forward to that  :eyelashes:

I have my stables cleaned out ready for the IG as well and have just ordered a new 60 bird electric hen as an early birthday present to myself  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 07, 2017, 09:04:30 pm
Starting to collect IG eggs tomorrow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 08, 2017, 06:15:54 pm
They are 4 days old now.

Bishop Rangers

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059320/IMG_3546.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059320/IMG_3546.JPG)

Feathering up well
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059321/IMG_3552.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059321/IMG_3552.JPG)

Hybrid Meat x Marans

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059322/IMG_3555.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059322/IMG_3555.JPG)

Cockerels have black spots on them

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059323/IMG_3572.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059323/IMG_3572.JPG)

Pullets are black (maybe)

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059324/IMG_3561.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059324/IMG_3561.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059325/IMG_3573.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2059325/IMG_3573.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 09, 2017, 11:59:37 pm
Nice strong looking chicks mate  :thumbsup:

Decided to turn my 3 light sussex into dinners recently and was so disappointed,cock was tough and the 2 hens we had earlier were tasty but nothing to them.

I am officially over my L.S.phase of bird keeping,not a breed i will be keeping again for eggs or meat.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 10, 2017, 06:28:00 am
Candled cou cou de Rennes eggs and 10/12 fertile another 10 going in tonight and then I will have some for sale
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 10, 2017, 08:09:39 am
Oh well done  :thumbsup:

What size flock are you looking to keep yourself?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 10, 2017, 01:03:06 pm
I'd like a flock of around 20 hens and couple cock birds
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 13, 2017, 09:43:24 pm
And man have they grown


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2060222/IMG_3598.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2060222/IMG_3598.JPG)

I tell you I could put a stick through the Bishop Rangers, put them on the BBQ and they would feed 2 people at only 2 weeks old.

The Marans crosses are just as big but without as much Breast meat already.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: madchickenlady on April 13, 2017, 10:13:35 pm
Heck, sure they're not ostriches!  :D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on April 13, 2017, 10:38:00 pm
What are you feeding them???? Steroids???
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 14, 2017, 03:32:51 pm
And man have they grown


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2060222/IMG_3598.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2060222/IMG_3598.JPG)

I tell you I could put a stick through the Bishop Rangers, put them on the BBQ and they would feed 2 people at only 2 weeks old.

The Marans crosses are just as big but without as much Breast meat already.

My mistake, there just over a week old
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 14, 2017, 11:21:54 pm
 They are growing nicely mate  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on April 15, 2017, 01:20:22 pm
Woah they are huge, now where was that food when I was growing up.... Could have made me taller!!! :o :roflanim:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 16, 2017, 10:44:00 am
Haha  :roflanim:

There doing well, thanks.
Just on normal chick crumbs.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 16, 2017, 04:46:11 pm
Look forward to a few in the paddock  just now mate  :thumbsup:
Just aquired a new incubator for my coming birthday so look forward to trying it out with some bishop rangers.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 16, 2017, 07:25:42 pm
Yeah no problem mate  :thumbsup:

Will be candling the IG eggs on Thursday  :fc: :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 17, 2017, 12:09:19 pm
Hi
I have some cou cou de Rennes eggs available if anyone is interested
Incys full I have had 15/18 fertile
They are a rare breed and the breed has been featured on hairy bikers
This is a rare opportunity and Would be a waste not to use them

£2 per egg + postage but would prefer not to post
PM me for more info
Thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 17, 2017, 01:48:52 pm
Good luck with them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 17, 2017, 09:50:41 pm
Hi
I have some cou cou de Rennes eggs available if anyone is interested
Incys full I have had 15/18 fertile
They are a rare breed and the breed has been featured on hairy bikers
This is a rare opportunity and Would be a waste not to use them

£2 per egg + postage but would prefer not to post
PM me for more info
Thanks

Mentioned these to a mate near me,where in the country are you ? and can you pm me a contact number ?
I will then forward it to my mate so he can speak to you directly.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 17, 2017, 10:07:51 pm
Hi Charlie
I live in Leeds, yorkshire

I will Pm you my number if I don't answer straight away I will ring back

Thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 18, 2017, 02:33:26 pm
passed on your details to my mate. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 18, 2017, 10:07:33 pm
Thanks a lot
Hope to here from them soon
Thanks
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 19, 2017, 01:00:50 pm
Had a heat lamp problem last night and of course I had lent out my spare to a mate with a litter of pups  :rant:

So it was back into the little 3' brooder I use for the first few days after hatching.
It was standing room only I can tell you, but got it replaced first thing this morning, so panic over  :thumbsup:

To be honest they are very well feathered for 2 weeks so might have been ok but better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 19, 2017, 07:23:00 pm
Always the way isnt it mate but we always seem to make it through  :thumbsup:

I`ve had my young chicks out in the sunshine the last few days and they seem to be pretty hardy now.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 20, 2017, 09:20:42 pm
Well of the 33 IG eggs I set, only 3 are clear  :thumbsup:

I'll take that  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 20, 2017, 09:50:48 pm
Excellent News mate  :thumbsup:

Look forward to seeing them shortly..
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 21, 2017, 01:17:46 pm
Few pics of my Indian Game breeding pen in the sunshine.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061542/IMG_3641.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061542/IMG_3641.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061544/IMG_3651.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061544/IMG_3651.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061546/IMG_3652.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061546/IMG_3652.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061547/IMG_3653.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061547/IMG_3653.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061548/IMG_3667.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061548/IMG_3667.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061549/IMG_3672.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061549/IMG_3672.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061550/IMG_3676.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061550/IMG_3676.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061551/IMG_3694.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2061551/IMG_3694.JPG)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 21, 2017, 10:33:31 pm
Stop Teasing me !!    :thumbsup:

Top looking birds mate,should be some nice chicks  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 21, 2017, 10:59:29 pm
Coucou de Rennes hatched yesterday just put another 17 in
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on April 21, 2017, 10:59:51 pm
Beautiful birds!
I appear to have lost my fantastic prized la bresse cockerel! Went out from the garden for half an hour!!! Came back to geese in the water - normally at 8pm thy are waiting inside the coop for their evening feed. All I saw in the coop was white feathers. ******* ****#^@^#&&#-(-(- £@¥£@& FOX!!!! I HATE THAT FOX!
Locked the geese,  set some fox traps. Hopefully there will be one waiting for me in the morning. I'm not gonna let it go again.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on April 21, 2017, 11:00:22 pm
Coucou de Rennes hatched yesterday just put another 17 in
Wow! Waiting for pics!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 24, 2017, 12:54:49 pm
Pictures not the greatest
I've started letting them run with my IGxLS and LS F1 hens
So will look at hatching some off see what the that throws out
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 24, 2017, 06:19:07 pm
Beautiful birds!
I appear to have lost my fantastic prized la bresse cockerel! Went out from the garden for half an hour!!! Came back to geese in the water - normally at 8pm thy are waiting inside the coop for their evening feed. All I saw in the coop was white feathers. ******* ****#^@^#&&#-(-(- £@¥£@& FOX!!!! I HATE THAT FOX!
Locked the geese,  set some fox traps. Hopefully there will be one waiting for me in the morning. I'm not gonna let it go again.

Oh man, your having no luck with that dam fox,

Good luck with the traps  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 24, 2017, 06:19:52 pm
Pictures not the greatest
I've started letting them run with my IGxLS and LS F1 hens
So will look at hatching some off see what the that throws out

Very nice mate  :thumbsup:

Look forward to seeing the results.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 26, 2017, 06:59:24 pm
Update on my Bishop Ranger crosses at 3 weeks now.
Feathering up nice and off heat.
Will be outside by the weekend.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062522/IMG_3733.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062522/IMG_3733.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062523/IMG_3738.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062523/IMG_3738.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062524/IMG_3746.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062524/IMG_3746.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062525/IMG_3782.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062525/IMG_3782.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062526/IMG_3757.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2062526/IMG_3757.JPG)

The Bishop Rangers are the meatier birds already.
The Marans cross cockerels are still doing well and gaining more black markings.
The Marans cross Pullet is turning from black to gold, think she will end up gold cuckoo.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 26, 2017, 08:04:29 pm
Looking Great Dave  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on April 26, 2017, 10:02:44 pm
What's anyone feeding their birds this year
Looking to put some good protein into the coucou de Rennes
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on April 27, 2017, 08:38:06 am
Just normal chick crumbs for me until there 6 weeks then growers.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on April 29, 2017, 02:39:56 pm
Just normal chick crumbs for me until there 6 weeks then growers.

Best way mate  :thumbsup:
I know of people that put chicks on layers at 6 weeks and wonder why the chicks dont grow properly or do as well  ???
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 01, 2017, 12:17:36 am
I just came across a breed called poulet de Barbezieux.
Apparently it's the tallest and largest European breed. Looks like massive black leghorn or minorca.
They are meant to be better tasting when roasted than later bresse.
Anyone even heard of them?
Are French just proud of all their breeds? Lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 01, 2017, 10:28:09 am
The French say every breed of there's is the tastiest   ;D

Had to google it, but not much in English.

Yes it looks like a Minorca crossed with a La Flèche type bird.
Nice looking but maybe a bit narrow in the chest for a pure meat bird.
Think you would be lucky to find any.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 01, 2017, 12:23:06 pm
They say it has a lot of dark red meat. More gamey tasting than later bresse or dorking.
Fast growing (as far as pure breeds go) and very large though. Probably not much breast meat, but should be fine for a dual purpose
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 01, 2017, 12:56:48 pm
Theres an organic place near Hereford that sells  Bresse + poulet Barbezieux Hatching eggs (Ebay)
6 Eggs for £24 + £7.25 postage.



Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 01, 2017, 01:58:27 pm
Sounds pricey, but worth it if you get a good hatch.

Put my IG eggs & chicks on preloved 2 days ago.
Had 5 people wanting Chicks already totalling about 100 chicks.

So that's my incy being busy for a while  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 01, 2017, 08:58:08 pm
Typically 3 Indian Game hens went broody yesterday  ::)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 01, 2017, 09:50:33 pm
Theres an organic place near Hereford that sells  Bresse + poulet Barbezieux Hatching eggs (Ebay)
6 Eggs for £24 + £7.25 postage.
That's where I came across them actually lol
I'd rather pick them up than get delivery. Had some bad experience with it last year. Two hours drive with the company van lol
Must say they look quite decent dressed:
(http://images.charentelibre.fr/2010/12/25/5645cfc27971bb340f4e4954/golden/1000x625/pour-gilbert-marchand-la-chair-de-son-poulet-est-une-valeur-sure-des-repas-de-fin-d-annee-photo-majid-bouzzit.jpg)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 01, 2017, 09:56:14 pm
That's what I'm doing with my eggs and chicks.

I will deliver or at worst meet up next to all main motorways around the north of England, as I travel a lot with work and can tie it in.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 02, 2017, 12:11:52 am
I like the size of those chickens!
(http://images.sudouest.fr/2016/09/17/57e10e9766a4bde778d08ee4/golden/parmi-les-nombreux-exposants-michel-gregoire-president-du-barbezieux-club-france-presentera-ce-dimanche-ses-propres-champions.jpg)

(https://fermer.ru/files/v2/forum/212826/721142019.jpg)

They raise them commercially just like la bresse but in a different region.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 02, 2017, 08:21:45 am
They look a good size there mate.
Like a Black Minorca on steroids  :thumbsup:

Go on treat yourself.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 02, 2017, 08:23:43 am
Had 12 fluffy IG chicks waiting for me this morning  :sunshine:

Still a few to go yet though.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 02, 2017, 05:36:52 pm
Upto 24 chick so far, so happy with that.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on May 02, 2017, 09:18:01 pm
I read a lot in this thread about meat birds with a lot of breast meat. We're not overly keen on breastmeat in this house, preferring darker meat, I use a lot of thigh meat for cooking. Are there any breeds that are particularly good (or big) in the thigh and leg region? hinking about getting some hatching eggs and raising for meat but don't want to get the wrong sort.

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 02, 2017, 10:22:12 pm
Jointed up the 2 Indian Game cockerels I culled yesterday.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2054907/IMG_3383.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2054907/IMG_3383.JPG)

Stir fry tonight, bit of dinner tomorrow and hopefully some left for a nice soup.

Rest of the carcasses go to the dogs (raw) so nothing is waisted.

Hi Dans, these were 2 IG cockerels that I kept in reserve, they spent the last few months chasing Pullets and only living on layers pellets, so I could of finished them better to gain more meat.

The meat on pure IG is quite dark and gamey on the breast and very dark on the legs and thighs which are generally huge.

But to be honest most large pure breeds will hold nice dark leg and thigh meat.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 03, 2017, 11:55:58 am
I read a lot in this thread about meat birds with a lot of breast meat. We're not overly keen on breastmeat in this house, preferring darker meat, I use a lot of thigh meat for cooking. Are there any breeds that are particularly good (or big) in the thigh and leg region? hinking about getting some hatching eggs and raising for meat but don't want to get the wrong sort.

Dans

Hi Dans/Dave c
Maybe some of your Bishop Rangers would be a good type of meat bird for Dans to incubate,would be a quicker turn around than the pure IG ?

Steer clear of the cobb type chickens though they grow too quick until they are unable to walk around. My last ones killed at 8 weeks were between 3kg + 4Kg.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 03, 2017, 04:47:55 pm
Maybe too much Breast meat for Dans and not as dark as pure breeds like IG, Marans or Sussex etc.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 03, 2017, 04:55:48 pm
I just came across a breed called poulet de Barbezieux.
Apparently it's the tallest and largest European breed. Looks like massive black leghorn or minorca.
They are meant to be better tasting when roasted than later bresse.
Anyone even heard of them?
Are French just proud of all their breeds? Lol

You have to hand it to the French they do have some excellent table birds no wonder they are proud of them.

A few years ago I bred La Bresse and enjoyed them a lot, until I got into the French Sasso hybrids which are just excellent.

They breed and rear them to Label Rouge standards which has lead the world in free range production standards for 40 years.

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1888/label-rouge-pasturebased-poultry-production-in-france/ (http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1888/label-rouge-pasturebased-poultry-production-in-france/)

Have a read of the link.
The French Sasso birds I have were created especially for the Label Rouge farmers.

I've bred my F2 (3rd) generation now and they seem to be breeding true.
I've also blended them with my Cuckoo Marans as a side experiment.
Just to keep the French theme going  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: farmers wife on May 03, 2017, 09:36:44 pm
I want to raise birds for my table.  I see La Bresse or Sasso - I have found La Bresse eggs on ebay but struggling to find Sasso.  I try to deal with S&T but never get an email back even after phone calls drives me mad.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 03, 2017, 09:46:05 pm
Where abouts are you?

I might be able to sort you some Sasso eggs or chicks out.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on May 03, 2017, 10:05:24 pm
I try to deal with S&T but never get an email back drives me mad.
Know exactly what you mean, it happened to me.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 03, 2017, 11:32:49 pm
I try to deal with S&T but never get an email back drives me mad.
Know exactly what you mean, it happened to me.

Before joining here I contacted them several times and had no reply   :poo:  so went elsewhere.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 04, 2017, 09:05:44 am
Poule de Barbezieux:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0BDoBword0k/TCme1FvkYPI/AAAAAAAAB4g/o28rALzEpBg/s1600/Patchwork.jpg)
Not much breast meat on them, sort of average for an old pure breed bird. Legs are big though, they are about 1/3 bigger than la bresse, the lady who sells them said - that's quite big then. They look skinny but weigh 5 kg! They better taste nice!

White dorking:
(http://cdn.backyardchickens.com/5/51/200x400px-LL-5134b34e_DorkingstewingfowlSept2013web4.jpeg)
They look like they have more meat on them, but maybe it's just because they have shorter bones, a specially legs.

Anyway, I ordered eggs of both barbezieux and white dorking- picking them up on Saturday!  :fc:
Might do some crosses with each other and la bresse next year. We should have some really nice tasting birds! And I'm not gonna free range them for now untill the fox learns there's no more food over here  :poo:

Got a beautiful white muscovy hen the other day so we are back to breeding muscovies! As soon as I let her out the Drake jumped on her lol two minutes later the other one mated too. Oh muscovies!
For comparison look at muscovy ducks:
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3d/bd/b2/3dbdb205af2133a1a6f77105e6b6df56.jpg)
That's some meat!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 04, 2017, 09:46:22 am
That's great news pal, good to see your back in business  :thumbsup:

They look really interesting breeds you've chosen.

What ages where the birds processed in the pics ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 04, 2017, 09:50:18 am
I try to deal with S&T but never get an email back drives me mad.
Know exactly what you mean, it happened to me.

Before joining here I contacted them several times and had no reply   :poo:  so went elsewhere.

I got Sasso from them for years, but the Last time I spoke with Steve (about a year ago) he was talking of packing in !

That's the main reason I started breeding them myself to see if I could get a sustainable flock.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 04, 2017, 10:02:30 am
That's great news pal, good to see your back in business  :thumbsup:

They look really interesting breeds you've chosen.

What ages where the birds processed in the pics ?
Barbezieux are slaughtered at minimum 110 days, capons 6-9 months. A bit like la bresse I think.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on May 04, 2017, 12:58:28 pm
I just came across a breed called poulet de Barbezieux.
Apparently it's the tallest and largest European breed. Looks like massive black leghorn or minorca.
They are meant to be better tasting when roasted than later bresse.
Anyone even heard of them?
Are French just proud of all their breeds? Lol

You have to hand it to the French they do have some excellent table birds no wonder they are proud of them.

A few years ago I bred La Bresse and enjoyed them a lot, until I got into the French Sasso hybrids which are just excellent.

They breed and rear them to Label Rouge standards which has lead the world in free range production standards for 40 years.

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1888/label-rouge-pasturebased-poultry-production-in-france/ (http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1888/label-rouge-pasturebased-poultry-production-in-france/)

Have a read of the link.
The French Sasso birds I have were created especially for the Label Rouge farmers.

I've bred my F2 (3rd) generation now and they seem to be breeding true.
I've also blended them with my Cuckoo Marans as a side experiment.
Just to keep the French theme going  ;)

Even the cou cou de Rennes ain't bad ????

I read an interesting fact that the cuckoo marans derived from the coucou de Rennes

Interesting read about the label rouge standards
And something to work towards
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on May 05, 2017, 12:31:49 am
Thanks guys. I think I'll have a look for IG, though not sure I will find much close by. There is a Maran breeder near though, so could pick up some hatching eggs from her. Now to convince the OH to let me hatch some eggs without a broody, or keep my fingers crossed that one of ours goes soon.

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 05, 2017, 12:13:48 pm
Thanks guys. I think I'll have a look for IG, though not sure I will find much close by. There is a Maran breeder near though, so could pick up some hatching eggs from her. Now to convince the OH to let me hatch some eggs without a broody, or keep my fingers crossed that one of ours goes soon.

Dans

Im Sure Dave C could help you out there Dans  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: farmers wife on May 05, 2017, 01:57:01 pm
Where abouts are you?

I might be able to sort you some Sasso eggs or chicks out.


Im in SE Wales just outside Newport.  No where near to you.  As a newbie to table hen rearing which do you recommend the most?  I usually pay £15 for a meat bird (organic) so looking to raise anything under that price.  I'll be rearing to organic standards but not selling however their food will be organic as this is how we eat.  We have a big farm, plenty of space and grass. Big mouths to feed though!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 05, 2017, 08:02:29 pm
Hi FW, I travel over to Wrexham with work every few weeks if that's any good.

The type depends on how quickly you want them on your table and how much meat you want them to have.
Pure breeds taking longer and having a lot more frame and darker meat than broilers but have there place.
I would keep away from the Ross Cobb type as they gain weight so fast they can have many health problems before they even get to 6 weeks.

The French Sasso's I kept back last year and have bred from are somewhere in between, they are the free range type and when allowed to do so keep very fit.

Last year I worked out they cost me just under £5 each to rear.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 05, 2017, 09:14:12 pm
These are mine at 4 weeks now, bred them myself from 2 types of French Sasso meat hybrids I kept back last year, they are the Free range type.

The Whites are Sasso x Cuckoo Marans


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064158/IMG_3844.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064158/IMG_3844.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064159/IMG_3853.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064159/IMG_3853.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064160/IMG_3858.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064160/IMG_3858.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064161/IMG_3865.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064161/IMG_3865.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064162/IMG_3872.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064162/IMG_3872.JPG)

A Sasso x Marans Pullet
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064163/IMG_3874.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064163/IMG_3874.JPG)

Not a good pic, but a nice shape for a Marans cross
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064164/IMG_3903.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064164/IMG_3903.JPG)

As you can see they are holding plenty Meat already, I will be keeping the Pullets back again for breeding and there excellent layers all year round.
And the fittest cockerel as a back up to last years big fella.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 05, 2017, 09:16:24 pm
Wow! They look meaty already!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 05, 2017, 09:56:29 pm
Hi FW, I travel over to Wrexham with work every few weeks if that's any good.

The type depends on how quickly you want them on your table and how much meat you want them to have.
Pure breeds taking longer and having a lot more frame and darker meat than broilers but have there place.
I would keep away from the Ross Cobb type as they gain weight so fast they can have many health problems before they even get to 6 weeks.

The French Sasso's I kept back last year and have bred from are somewhere in between, they are the free range type and when allowed to do so keep very fit.



Last year I worked out they cost me just under £5 each to rear.

Hi Farmers Wife
I am meeting Dave C next Tuesday so I could bring some Eggs back to Llandrindod wells If you could get to me to collect them ??

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 05, 2017, 10:00:22 pm
These are mine at 4 weeks now, bred them myself from 2 types of French Sasso meat hybrids I kept back last year, they are the Free range type.

The Whites are Sasso x Cuckoo Marans


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064158/IMG_3844.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064158/IMG_3844.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064159/IMG_3853.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064159/IMG_3853.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064160/IMG_3858.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064160/IMG_3858.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064161/IMG_3865.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064161/IMG_3865.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064162/IMG_3872.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064162/IMG_3872.JPG)

A Sasso x Marans Pullet
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064163/IMG_3874.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064163/IMG_3874.JPG)

Not a good pic, but a nice shape for a Marans cross
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064164/IMG_3903.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064164/IMG_3903.JPG)

As you can see they are holding plenty Meat already, I will be keeping the Pullets back again for breeding and there excellent layers all year round.
And the fittest cockerel as a back up to last years big fella.

They look great Dave,can see they are gonna have plenty of breast meat..once I get the I.G. + Turkeys growing I`ll be up for some of them Sasso  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: farmers wife on May 05, 2017, 10:16:49 pm
Hi FW, I travel over to Wrexham with work every few weeks if that's any good.

The type depends on how quickly you want them on your table and how much meat you want them to have.
Pure breeds taking longer and having a lot more frame and darker meat than broilers but have there place.
I would keep away from the Ross Cobb type as they gain weight so fast they can have many health problems before they even get to 6 weeks.

The French Sasso's I kept back last year and have bred from are somewhere in between, they are the free range type and when allowed to do so keep very fit.



Last year I worked out they cost me just under £5 each to rear.

Hi Farmers Wife
I am meeting Dave C next Tuesday so I could bring some Eggs back to Llandrindod wells If you could get to me to collect them ??


Llandrindod is a considerable distance from me.  I am close to the M4 not far from the Severn Bridge.  And Wrexham (I could drive to London and back quicker lol) Its not a pleasant drive either.  The furthest I could justify is Crickhowell/Brecon.  Very kind though and if I knew anyone in mid Wales I would.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 05, 2017, 10:36:15 pm
Never mind FW

Mrs C is looking into doing the posting eggs thing, so if we ever get sorted I will let you know.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 05, 2017, 11:22:21 pm
These are mine at 4 weeks now, bred them myself from 2 types of French Sasso meat hybrids I kept back last year, they are the Free range type.

The Whites are Sasso x Cuckoo Marans


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064158/IMG_3844.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064158/IMG_3844.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064159/IMG_3853.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064159/IMG_3853.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064160/IMG_3858.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064160/IMG_3858.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064161/IMG_3865.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064161/IMG_3865.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064162/IMG_3872.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064162/IMG_3872.JPG)

A Sasso x Marans Pullet
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064163/IMG_3874.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064163/IMG_3874.JPG)

Not a good pic, but a nice shape for a Marans cross
(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064164/IMG_3903.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2064164/IMG_3903.JPG)

As you can see they are holding plenty Meat already, I will be keeping the Pullets back again for breeding and there excellent layers all year round.
And the fittest cockerel as a back up to last years big fella.

They look great Dave,can see they are gonna have plenty of breast meat..once I get the I.G. + Turkeys growing I`ll be up for some of them Sasso  :thumbsup:


Thanks mate, they seem to be breeding very well and I would love to get a few gene pools going which will help breeding them long term.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 08, 2017, 10:06:52 pm
Well I have spoken to a mate today and he is happy to hatch + keep a few sasso for me until I get the I.G. to a good size so i can move them into the stables,so look forward to helping the gene pool of your sasso`s mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 09, 2017, 08:01:30 am
Chicks sorted, eggs sorted  :thumbsup:

Although if I'd had more than a days notice on the eggs I would of separated the cross breed hens out to ensure 100% of the eggs were French Sasso's   :innocent:  :D

But hey, we all like a wild card surprise   or two :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 09, 2017, 07:30:21 pm
Thanks for the Chicks + the eggs mate,bit of a last minute offer by a mate to hatch the eggs hence the short notice but you pulled it off  :trophy:

Chicks are looking nice + happy and I didnt realise until I got them out 1 at a time that you had put extra`s in  :thumbsup: really appreciate it.

Nice to have met up + had a good old chin wag,will keep you posted on their progress and get some decent pics on once my new camera arrives later in the week.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 09, 2017, 08:52:57 pm
No problem at all pal.

Always good to have a good chat with someone who knows what there talking about and appreciates utility birds  :thumbsup:

Really good meeting you & the wife and I hope the birds turn out well for you.

Looking forward to the pics.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 10, 2017, 06:17:12 pm
Chicks settled once they sussed out the electric hen,feeding+ drinking well and spending as much time on the hen as under it.

My New camera came today so got a few pics of chicks,my IG boy + speckledy hens + the last chicks i hatched (2xbresse,1 ig and 1 ig x maran)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 10, 2017, 08:51:42 pm
Nice looking birds mate  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to plenty of pics now you have the new camera  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 12, 2017, 08:15:01 pm
Few years ago I had a bit of a Dark Egg obsession  ::)
I bred Welsummers and Marans at the time and the best eggs were a Welsummer cockerel over a Cuckoo Marans hen ( also Sex linked)

I love Welsummers but the Marans I have now are better utility birds and they suit my meat bird project as well and with a bit of look will add in a dark ish egg,
So I'm doing one more batch of chicks and thinking of layers I'm doing the Sasso x Marans cross again (with a few IG eggs thrown in).
The cockerels from the last batch are looking really meaty but I only got 1 Pullet out, so not enough to really test the cross on egg size and laying.
The Sasso's have layed about every day since they were 18 weeks.
A nice big egg as well so together who knows.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dans on May 12, 2017, 10:42:24 pm
Well one of our hens has gone broody so we've decided to do a little experiment.

Our cockerel is a Barnveldar cross (not sure what he was crossed with) and we have gone for 6 eggs under then hen. Two from our cuckoo maran hens, 2 from our cream legbar hens and 2 from our very odd hybrid hen who has maran in her and lays 83g eggs pretty consistantly.

We found the hybrid hen's brothers to be very tasty and have heard good things about the marans so we will see what a cross with our cockerel produces. We added the cream legbars to see what kind of eggs any females produce. Just a small experiment as we aren't set up to have lots of young birds around yet. Will let you all know how it goes.

Dans
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 13, 2017, 03:44:38 pm
Well one of our hens has gone broody so we've decided to do a little experiment.

Our cockerel is a Barnveldar cross (not sure what he was crossed with) and we have gone for 6 eggs under then hen. Two from our cuckoo maran hens, 2 from our cream legbar hens and 2 from our very odd hybrid hen who has maran in her and lays 83g eggs pretty consistantly.

We found the hybrid hen's brothers to be very tasty and have heard good things about the marans so we will see what a cross with our cockerel produces. We added the cream legbars to see what kind of eggs any females produce. Just a small experiment as we aren't set up to have lots of young birds around yet. Will let you all know how it goes.

Dans
Some of these pot luck birds are great Dans,I have some Light sussex x Jersey giant x Columbian blacktails,they have just started laying and are very chunky looking but will need longer than commercial bred Cobbs etc to get big enough to eat but as Dave C says you can always eat your mistakes  :hungry:

These are the L.S X J.G X CBT Pullets at 16 wks old,not loads of meat on them yet but at least i know they have had a good life from egg to table.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 13, 2017, 07:28:04 pm
Nice looking Pullets mate  :thumbsup:

Faces look to be reddening up nicely
Are they for the table or kept sad layers ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 13, 2017, 07:30:47 pm
Well one of our hens has gone broody so we've decided to do a little experiment.

Our cockerel is a Barnveldar cross (not sure what he was crossed with) and we have gone for 6 eggs under then hen. Two from our cuckoo maran hens, 2 from our cream legbar hens and 2 from our very odd hybrid hen who has maran in her and lays 83g eggs pretty consistantly.

We found the hybrid hen's brothers to be very tasty and have heard good things about the marans so we will see what a cross with our cockerel produces. We added the cream legbars to see what kind of eggs any females produce. Just a small experiment as we aren't set up to have lots of young birds around yet. Will let you all know how it goes.

Dans

Good project there Dans  :thumbsup:

You should end up with some nice eggs from them crosses, should be dark brown and maybe even a green in there.

The chicks should be sex linked as well
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 13, 2017, 07:49:00 pm
Nice looking Pullets mate  :thumbsup:

Faces look to be reddening up nicely
Are they for the table or kept sad layers ?

Not sure yet Dave,1 of the brown ones has been laying daily for 3-4 days now,might keep them running with the speckledies for a while and see what they develop like but you know I can change my mind in the blink of an eye  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 13, 2017, 08:21:58 pm
Yeah we can all be like that mate  ;)
Mrs C has to keep reminding me that I need less chickens not more  :innocent:

That's a good age to be laying  :thumbsup:
Did you get any cockerels from that cross?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 14, 2017, 09:08:12 am
Anyone else use a Broody Coop ?

This is mine with another couple of Marans in it.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2065619/IMG_3979.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2065619/IMG_3979.JPG)


Also got 3 IG broody, but they getting some eggs to sit  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 14, 2017, 11:44:47 am
Yeah we can all be like that mate  ;)
Mrs C has to keep reminding me that I need less chickens not more  :innocent:

That's a good age to be laying  :thumbsup:
Did you get any cockerels from that cross?
No cockerels mate,just the pullets which out of 4 that hatched is pretty good going,also the 4 eggs that hatched with the r.i.r. i got 3 rir pullets + 1 l.s. cockerel.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 14, 2017, 02:59:41 pm
It seems to have been a Pullet year so far.

But last year, dam I had a lot of cockerels.
But it keeps the freezer full  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 14, 2017, 11:08:54 pm
My ridiculously expensive barbezieux eggs are developing well! Out of 13, 2 weren't fertile and 1 seems to have died. 10 developing well, God willing they will all hatch!  :fc:
Then I want to hatch some bresse and perhaps turkeys.
Got a new muscovy female and they keep mating all the time so we should have some muscovies this year too  :fc: the Drake i have is massive! Huge beast much heavier than my geese! I can hold a gander by wings with one hand but can't hold that drake. I have him for two years, since he was little. Was meant to eat him so many time over the winter but his way too nice so am keeping him from breeding for another season. Really wanted to cross him with a chocolate female to get cream and buff coloured offspring (he is Blue and white pied). He's so big the fox didn't want to bother with him - I saw him!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 15, 2017, 11:34:15 am
Good fertility for a rare breed  :thumbsup:
Good luck with them.

You could be onto something there mate.
Breed them that big that the fox is scared of them  :roflanim:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 15, 2017, 11:37:12 am
Trust me I've seen that drake swallow frogs and mice lol
He would probably eat fox cubs (I hope).
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 15, 2017, 11:58:55 am
Mate of mine used to keep Rouen Ducks..never seen ducks that big before,i had some off him that weighed nearly 6kg and he never had any problems with foxes taking them either  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 21, 2017, 02:34:27 pm
How's everyone getting on ?

Here are my Sasso and Sasso x Marans at 6 weeks now.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 21, 2017, 06:30:10 pm
Hi Dave
Chicks are looking good  :thumbsup:

Mine are growing well and turkey eggs are pipping as I am typing,recently purchased a trio of IG off a local guy who`s packing up.

Will get some pictures on soon,been enjoying my Birthday weekend too much  :cake: :celebrate:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 21, 2017, 07:50:35 pm
All the best mate  :cake:

Good luck with the turkey eggs and look forward to seeing the IG pics.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 21, 2017, 08:18:47 pm
How's everyone getting on ?

Here are my Sasso and Sasso x Marans at 6 weeks now.

As soon as these start laying I think I will be culling the parent stock out.
They have lasted a year so I'm happy with that but there looking very tired now and are either coming into moult or going to die, ha.

It's not surprising really, they started laying at 18 weeks and haven't really missed a day since.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 21, 2017, 08:38:41 pm
My mate candled them eggs  and he reckons 20/24 but isnt 100%.
I was supposed to go down see him but decided to have a party for my birthday and got a bit worse for wear  :tired:

Got my first Bourbon Red turkey out of shell now  :excited:

Gonna have to put up some more sheds/stables I think,my mrs got silkies now + wants few more + I was given some cuckoo maran + Barnevelder eggs as a present so got my old incy full of them today.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 21, 2017, 09:37:06 pm
Everyone's busy then lol
My eggs are developing well. One more week  :fc:
I'm looking for some utility pigeons and heritage white turkeys if you know anyone anywhere...
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 21, 2017, 10:25:34 pm
Everyone's busy then lol
My eggs are developing well. One more week  :fc:
I'm looking for some utility pigeons and heritage white turkeys if you know anyone anywhere...
Has anyone tried King Pigeon ?

Petshop near me has them for sale now + then,dont know if there is much meat on them macgro7. (Nik+ Nels,Newtown powys.)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 21, 2017, 10:45:59 pm
I used to have the exhibition kings, Giant Runt and carneau. They were massive. More like chickens, both in size and behaviour as they were too fat to fly. I'll try to find picture of them.
I'm looking for either king, modena, mondain, giant runt or carneau.
Their breast was the same shape as broiler chicken - huge!
All those breeds weigh nearly a kilogram!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on May 22, 2017, 12:03:03 pm
How's everyone getting on ?
Here are my Sasso and Sasso x Marans at 6 weeks now.
Those sasso x cuckoo marans look very impressive.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 22, 2017, 12:58:02 pm
Yes I'm pleasantly surprised myself  :yum:

I've just put some more in the incy today.
I'm going to run them as a little side project (as if I don't have enough projects)  :innocent:

Think I will keep a cockerel back to put back over my pure Marans for a dark egger and hopefully slightly meatier cockerels.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Pullets turn out as well.
Looking like golden Cuckoo marking at the moment.
The White cockerels are just showing a slight bleed of barring, which should get stronger as the get there adult feathers.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 26, 2017, 08:51:10 am
My mate candled them eggs  and he reckons 20/24 but isnt 100%.
I was supposed to go down see him but decided to have a party for my birthday and got a bit worse for wear  :tired:

Got my first Bourbon Red turkey out of shell now  :excited:

Gonna have to put up some more sheds/stables I think,my mrs got silkies now + wants few more + I was given some cuckoo maran + Barnevelder eggs as a present so got my old incy full of them today.

Hi mate, how did you get on with the turkey eggs ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 27, 2017, 11:43:47 am
Had a good hatch mate but was offered £8 each for them by a mate + sold them to him,that will give me room for the sasso`s that are due to hatch on 1st at my mates place + I have some barny + cuckoo maran eggs in my old incy that I candle thursday.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 27, 2017, 03:23:05 pm
Well done pal I love it when you can make a few quid from your birds.

Looking forward to seeing you Marans,
I really like them as a breed, the Pullets I have are a lovely utility type with good shape and breast meat.
They don't have the darkest eggs I've ever seen but still a nice colour, big eggs and plenty of them now there not Broody.

Think I might invest in a big utility cockerel for next year.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 27, 2017, 07:55:40 pm
the 2 bresse i hatched a while back are both cock birds so I might consider keeping 1 back and either rehoming the other if anyone is interested or put it in the pot.

I kept the cuckoo marans a few years back but then we moved after the heart attack and didnt want birds for a while,had the eggs given me for my b`day so will give em a try.

if i get a few pullets out of them i will try the IG X and bresse x to see what i get
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 27, 2017, 09:24:11 pm
Well I can guarantee the Sasso c Marans is a good cross  :thumbsup:

I think macgro7 has some La Bresse, he might be interested.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 27, 2017, 10:17:14 pm
I might be interested in your cockerel If you still have him in around a month or so.
I'm picking up the king pigeons soon! Spoke to a guy who breeds them.
Praying for a successful hatching!
Out of 13 eggs only 6 are still alive and are meant to hatch on Monday hopefully. I really hope they all hatch and are healthy.
Btw saw the fox again just before 9pm. I went pass muscovies again! Without touching them! I find it amazing!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 27, 2017, 11:38:49 pm
I might be interested in your cockerel If you still have him in around a month or so.

your more than welcome to him mate,im in no rush,will save him from the Freezer.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on May 28, 2017, 01:13:29 am
Have a look at this video:
https://youtu.be/8g7bW4g9-cM
Those are king pigeons. Don't they look like Ross Cobb boilers??? They even walk in the same way.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 30, 2017, 11:07:46 am
And we are back on line  :thumbsup:

Sorry I must have pressed the wrong button  :-[  :innocent:

Big thank you to Dan for sorting things  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 30, 2017, 12:56:51 pm
Have a look at this video:
https://youtu.be/8g7bW4g9-cM
Those are king pigeons. Don't they look like Ross Cobb boilers??? They even walk in the same way.

Them King pigeons look great, will be really interesting to see how much meat you get from them.

I shoot a lot of wood pigeons and luckily I have an endless supply, we love pigeon pitas with sour cream & salsa  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on May 30, 2017, 03:26:44 pm
Got some Indian Game & Sasso x Marans due to hatch Thursday.
Ones pipped already, I find the early starters generally don't finish!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on May 31, 2017, 11:29:19 pm
Mate phoned earlier + sasso chicks started to pip  :thumbsup:
Keep you posted how many we get .

Thanks Dave C   :trophy:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on June 01, 2017, 02:04:40 am
 Poulet de Barbezieux hatched on Sunday.

Interestingly they are black with white bellies and the middle toe is also white.

I thought they might be crossed with something but apparently they have this pattern when hatches and then turn completely black.

(https://www.backyardchickens.com/attachments/20170529_111203-jpg.1026643/)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 01, 2017, 10:30:15 am
Looking forward to see how this breeds dose for you mate.

Is there many breeders in Uk?
Will gene pool be a problem?

And good luck keeping the fox away from them.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on June 01, 2017, 10:37:25 am
I only know of that one lady who breeds them in the UK and she had to import them last year from France and Germany- two separate lines at least.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 01, 2017, 06:42:02 pm
That's a good starting point mate and no doubt others will import as they become popular.

If they are unrelated it will buy you a good few years with careful breeding.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 01, 2017, 06:44:25 pm
Mate phoned earlier + sasso chicks started to pip  :thumbsup:
Keep you posted how many we get .

Thanks Dave C   :trophy:

Good luck with them mate  :fc:

Have you any other pure breeds hatching which you can use as a "Control" to compare / prove that the hybrids are worth doings?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 01, 2017, 07:18:23 pm
I had some cuckoo maran + barnevelder eggs given me for my birthday but they are 2 weeks away from due date.

I have been persuaded to incubate some Muscovy ducks next  :innocent:

me + the mrs love a roast duck and supermarket birds have no real flavour. so I have local farmer coming up with his jcb to clear a patch of land that has tree stumps etc growing and some old buildings from 1950`s which are crumbling away. so a new pond + maybe some stables or a good sized shed put up there for them..

The IG chicks are growing nicely now and are only having the electric hen on overnight because its still pretty cool up here at night but we are 1800ft up. I will be moving them to the stable next door next week once I clear it out,pressure wash + disinfect it.

Will get some pics on once they are in.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 01, 2017, 08:09:34 pm
Sounds like you've as many projects as me mate  ::)

You will be able to tell they grow like weeds after only a few days mate.
Any news on the hatch?

I've got some nice BLW bantams, some IG and some more Sasso x Marans hatching at the minute.  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on June 01, 2017, 09:08:48 pm
I had some cuckoo maran + barnevelder eggs given me for my birthday but they are 2 weeks away from due date.

I have been persuaded to incubate some Muscovy ducks next  :innocent:

me + the mrs love a roast duck and supermarket birds have no real flavour.
Bare in mind muscovy eggs are quite tricky to hatch in the incubator. Much easier under broody.
Last year I let the female sit and she hatched 9 out of 10. In the incubator I only hatched 1 out of 12. Only set them as I lost the female, I'm sure she would do it much better than incubator...
Also they are completely different bird than superrmaket duck. First they are different species! They have no fat comparing to normal ducks. Thu taste more like lamb . Lots of meat though
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 02, 2017, 12:18:33 pm
When we had the Business of eggs/poultry we hatched many different types and indeed muscovies were a little trickier. As iam getting 12 eggs for free i`ll give em a go.

Dave,C.. No news yet mate but I will be calling by over the weekend to see whats happening with the hatch. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 04, 2017, 02:35:37 pm
21/24 from the sasso eggs mate  :thumbsup: 3 didnt last the night but were 2 days getting out so maybe exerted themselves. The 18 survivors are doing good.

Finally the stable floor was dry enough to get the I.G.Chicks moved in so heres a few pics.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2484_zpscpwvisyx.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2484_zpscpwvisyx.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2483_zpsrhejcmbi.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2483_zpsrhejcmbi.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2475_zps3kbehqwx.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2475_zps3kbehqwx.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2500_zpscehlcl9y.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2500_zpscehlcl9y.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2490_zps9c5atykf.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2490_zps9c5atykf.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2493_zpscv7vcc8f.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2493_zpscv7vcc8f.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 04, 2017, 10:47:15 pm
Nice mate  :thumbsup:
A good range of colours there pal.
Looks a nice Blue Cockerel coming through.

Thought there was 2 Jubilee chicks, is there only 1 ?

That's the thing with IG chicks, they change so much when they loose there chick down.
But it's always interesting  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 04, 2017, 10:55:31 pm
Hi Dave
blue does look nice but I really like the jubilees, I think there is 3 or 4 but cant remember tbh

Did you say you have done the IG x Bresse ?

Them 2 Bresse chicks I have are both cock birds and growing very nicely. ;) so Considering keeping 1 to run with a few IG Hens next season.

Decided the sheep are defo going soon as they were out in the forest earlier,so will free up another 1/2 acre for birds  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 05, 2017, 07:33:55 pm
Sounds good  :thumbsup:

If you want to breed for Jubilee, a dark cockerel over Jubilee hens is best, give the best lacing and you will get 50/50 split of chicks.

I used to breed pure La Bresse but never did the cross, a guy used to come on here did it a few years back with good results I seem to remember.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 05, 2017, 10:19:13 pm
I counted the Jubilees earlier + I have 3   :thumbsup:

Been looking at a new house for the birds once the sheep are gone,decided on this one for the IG.
https://www.smithssectionalbuildings.co.uk/Item/Poultry-Houses/Chicken-Houses/Haywood-50 (https://www.smithssectionalbuildings.co.uk/Item/Poultry-Houses/Chicken-Houses/Haywood-50)

I can keep the stables empty for the meat birds then  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on June 06, 2017, 08:27:31 am
Those chicken houses are so nice! Wish I had money to buy them at the moment lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 06, 2017, 11:50:36 am
Oh very nice, just a dream for me to have houses like that.
Mine are in old converted sheds, which are starting to look a bit tired I must admit  :innocent:

I have made a new Broody Coop, which is a lot better than some of the broken down wooden boxes I use  ;D

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069890/IMG_4120.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069890/IMG_4120.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069891/IMG_4130.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069891/IMG_4130.JPG)

She has 12 chicks under there
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on June 06, 2017, 03:39:19 pm
Dave, you said you have marans. Which ones do you have? Black copper?
How are the crosses getting on?
My Barbezieux chicks are growing really well. They are only 10 days old but have grown as much as the boilers last year at the same age.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 06, 2017, 05:32:44 pm
Wow that sounds like a really good start pal  :thumbsup:

I have Cuckoo Marans and the Sasso cockerel over them has produced some very nice white cockerels and Gold barred Pullets ( sex linked)
I took some pics on Sunday, will put them up.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 06, 2017, 05:49:55 pm
Here are my Sasso 2nd generation at almost 9 weeks



(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069992/IMG_4160.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069992/IMG_4160.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069993/IMG_4170.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069993/IMG_4170.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069994/IMG_4171.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069994/IMG_4171.JPG)

I have a few which are crossed with the medium growth Sasso which the cockerels were to big to keep for breeding because of bad movement.
This guy is the same but will taste great .

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069996/IMG_4147.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069996/IMG_4147.JPG)

The Sasso x Marans cockerels showing great shape

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069998/IMG_4153.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069998/IMG_4153.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069999/IMG_4157.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069999/IMG_4157.JPG)

And the Pullets, not as big but will be kept as layers / breeders

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2070000/IMG_4135.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2070000/IMG_4135.JPG)

I have about 20 running around with more chicks coming through so will start culling early or I'll run out of space.
Will be having a weigh in very soon but by the feels of them, they will do me.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on June 07, 2017, 02:11:43 pm
blue does look nice but I really like the jubilees
Hi Darren. If you find that you have a nice blue laced indian game cockerel or even a blue laced indian game pair that is surplus to your breeding requirements, please keep me in mind. Thank you.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 07, 2017, 03:44:21 pm
blue does look nice but I really like the jubilees
Hi Darren. If you find that you have a nice blue laced indian game cockerel or even a blue laced indian game pair that is surplus to your breeding requirements, please keep me in mind. Thank you.

No problem  ;)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 07, 2017, 04:19:48 pm
Here are my Sasso 2nd generation at almost 9 weeks



(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069992/IMG_4160.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069992/IMG_4160.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069993/IMG_4170.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069993/IMG_4170.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069994/IMG_4171.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069994/IMG_4171.JPG)

I have a few which are crossed with the medium growth Sasso which the cockerels were to big to keep for breeding because of bad movement.
This guy is the same but will taste great .

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069996/IMG_4147.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069996/IMG_4147.JPG)

The Sasso x Marans cockerels showing great shape

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069998/IMG_4153.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069998/IMG_4153.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069999/IMG_4157.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2069999/IMG_4157.JPG)

And the Pullets, not as big but will be kept as layers / breeders

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2070000/IMG_4135.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2070000/IMG_4135.JPG)

I have about 20 running around with more chicks coming through so will start culling early or I'll run out of space.
Will be having a weigh in very soon but by the feels of them, they will do me.

Chicks look strong Dave  :thumbsup:

will be collecting mine the weekend  :fc: If I get my shed cleared out over the next few days.

Will get some pics on when I have them.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 08, 2017, 07:26:49 pm
Sun was out earlier and a few I.G. chicks ventured out into their run.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2558_zpszjsjhrh4.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2558_zpszjsjhrh4.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2560_zpsftr1lnnn.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2560_zpsftr1lnnn.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2561_zps4ddv5jsb.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2561_zps4ddv5jsb.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 08, 2017, 09:09:16 pm
They looking good mate  :thumbsup:

Some bonny colours as well.

I have some a week old now.
Got a broody to adopt them so difficult to take pics at the moment.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 10, 2017, 01:44:33 am
Nice one mate  :thumbsup: broodies make it so much easier.
Yeah these chicks are growing rapidly + getting outside a bit more now.
Had to cull 1 of the bresse cock chicks earlier,they kept fighting and I have nowhere else i could of put him. so he is sunday lunch.

Got my barnie + cuckoo maran eggs due to hatch sunday. 2 cuckoos have pipped so far

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 10, 2017, 01:01:42 pm
Pity you didn't get a chance to grow your La Bresse a bit longer mate

But every cloud   :yum:

Looking forward to seeing the Barnie & Marans, hope they do well for you, will give you some whole new projects to think about  :thinking:

I've got some more Sasso x Marans eggs due to hatch Monday and a broody sat on IG due next Saturday, hoping she will also take the Marans x under her wing, but have some spare Broodies if she doesn't.

Broodies, Chicks and growers everywhere  :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 10, 2017, 04:03:20 pm
The La Bresse isnt a bad size already mate + the 1 I kept is bigger.

4 cuckoos + ` barnie so far..defo another breeding project on the cards  :innocent

Got in late yesterday evening + mrs spotted a fox prretty near to our place so will be keeping an eye out for him.
 lamp is fully charged + scopes have just been zeroed,just in case. Also my 2 dogs are left out over night from now.

Not taking any chances this year.

I think we will be eating a lot of home grown chicken this winter  :thumbsup:

Candled my muscovy eggs lastnight and 10/12 showing development so hope they work out.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 12, 2017, 12:20:51 pm
Yes sounds like your freezer will be full mate.

I've been making some room this weekend, culled out my spare Sasso cockerel which wasn't needed.
He dressed out at 2.6kg was full of flavour after a nice slow cook.

Sold the excess IG that won't be needed next year, another 20 chicks and 24 hatching eggs.
That reduces the food bill a bit and puts a few quid back in the kitty.

So not a bad weekend.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 12, 2017, 10:02:43 pm
Sorry it's been a while started weighing coucou de Rennes

53 days (7.5weeks)
Top cockerel 1.170kg avg1.056
Top pullet 0.996kg avg 0.903

 Can't seem to find my old records of IG x LS to cross reference data
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 12, 2017, 10:07:41 pm
Yes sounds like your freezer will be full mate.

I've been making some room this weekend, culled out my spare Sasso cockerel which wasn't needed.
He dressed out at 2.6kg was full of flavour after a nice slow cook.

Sold the excess IG that won't be needed next year, another 20 chicks and 24 hatching eggs.
That reduces the food bill a bit and puts a few quid back in the kitty.

So not a bad weekend.
Sounds like an excellent weekend mate  :thumbsup:

Visited my mate earlier today and the 17 sasso chicks are doing great,I didnt get any pictures but they will be coming to me when they are off heat now so will give me plenty of time to clear out the stable ready for them.
Mostly looking like buff coloured birds but as you said there may be a few suprise birds in the mix.

Now have the 2 IG hens I aquired recently in with my Big IG cockerel,the other little cockerel had to go so a bloke in the next village has him now to run with some light sussex hens.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 12, 2017, 10:10:39 pm
Sorry it's been a while started weighing coucou de Rennes

53 days (7.5weeks)
Top cockerel 1.170kg avg1.056
Top pullet 0.996kg avg 0.903

 Can't seem to find my old records of IG x LS to cross reference data
Just gone back through and the Coucou de Rennes are averaging around 200g heavier at the same age
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 13, 2017, 08:16:31 pm
Nice weights pal  :thumbsup:

What age are you planning on culling them?

Or are they all breeders?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Bramham Wiltshire Horns on June 13, 2017, 10:42:04 pm
Probably around 20 weeks this time not much over
I left the IG x and LS too long my ladt time keep pullets for breeding and do away with the cockerels
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 18, 2017, 12:39:17 am
Total chicks that hatched recently was 5/12  ( 4 cuckoo maran + 1 barnie chick),,not the best result but after being told my mate dropped the eggs on the way to me I suppose I was lucky to get any.

Muscovy eggs are growing nicely in the incy so hoping they do well.

The Sasso chicks are staying at my mates until off heat now as he has more room,so gives me time to move all the young stock around.

Will get some pics on in the week.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 18, 2017, 08:23:04 pm
Ahhh pity on the hatch mate was looking forward to comparing the barny's to your other breeds.

Where did you get the Marans from?
Are they utility bred for size also or just dark eggs?

I've had some more IG hatch under a broody and hoping she will also adopt some Sasso x Marans I hatched last week.

Moved my Sasso's to there large finishing pen, they also will free range every other day for about the next 3 weeks, I'll then move the Pullets and any chosen cockerels into my main pen and the others are off to freezer camp, keep us in roast dinners for a while  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 20, 2017, 01:38:54 pm
Hi Dave
Eggs were off a mate,he gave me them as a birthday present last month. his marans dont lay overly dark eggs after they have been laying for a while but they are good sized birds.

He got his birds as eggs after a trip to france 3 years ago and reckons the males are making 3kg + hens 2 kg - 2.5kg Dressed.

The barnie iam hoping is a nice pullet and if she is decent i will keep her on to run with 1 of my IG boys.

plenty of room needed in the freezer now,got 3 sheep off to abbatoir next monday + plenty of birds later on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on June 20, 2017, 04:06:56 pm
Charlie1234. How did you get on with the indian game x bresse gauloise? I can't seem to find any reference to them for some time now.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 20, 2017, 07:59:50 pm
Hi Wynn
I did dabble but things went wrong with my incubators and in the end I had the bresse for sunday lunch.

Mainly indian game here now,few r.i.r. pullets,speckledy pullets..4 cuckoo maran chicks + 1 barnevelder chick..also got 9 muscovy eggs in the incy.

oh and 9 sasso chicks being reared at a mates place  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 20, 2017, 09:35:08 pm
The Marans you've got sound a good type mate  :thumbsup:
cockerels can make 3.5kg but it takes a while.
I love there dark eggs and bred them and Welsummers about 10 years ago.
The Marans Hens i have now are off a mate I gave eggs to years ago and got some back off him after the fox took all mine.

Most just breed for egg colour and forget the DP utility qualities of the Marans, they used to be quick maturing but I think that was along time ago.
I'm going to make a start next year keeping an eye on egg colour but mainly looking for big, quick maturing birds, hopefully a few generations and I might see a difference.

Do you know the sex of yours yet mate? If the cockerel used on yours was bred for a lighter colour the male chicks will have a larger white spot on there heads.
I suppose in our case it doesn't matter as we will raise them anyway for the table.

PS, I thought you had 18 Sasso chicks?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 21, 2017, 11:24:08 am
3 cocks 1 hen going by head spot size but time will tell.

Did have 18 sasso chicks but my mate wanted something for hatching/rearing for me + was happy to take half the birds instead of money.

I can always put some more through my incubator once everything else is moved around  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on June 21, 2017, 08:54:50 pm
I had the bresse for sunday lunch.
What did she do to warrant that? I always thought that bresse gauloise were a good hen to cross with an indian game cockerel to produce meat.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 21, 2017, 09:18:11 pm
When I was breeding them I would never have eaten a Pullet as there too good a layer  :thumbsup:

But if you look back through Darren's posts I think it was 2 cockerels he had.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 21, 2017, 09:20:19 pm
3 cocks 1 hen going by head spot size but time will tell.

Did have 18 sasso chicks but my mate wanted something for hatching/rearing for me + was happy to take half the birds instead of money.

I can always put some more through my incubator once everything else is moved around  :innocent:

Sounds typical about the Marans mate.

You might hav to be quick for more Sasso eggs, I've a feeling I will be culling most if not all of last years birds soon.
I'm just waiting on this years stock to start laying really.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: SallyintNorth on June 21, 2017, 10:56:17 pm
We found some information that suggested that White Wyandotte on Light Sussex would give a fast-maturing, meaty bird.  Anyone tried it?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 21, 2017, 11:08:41 pm
I had the bresse for sunday lunch.
What did she do to warrant that? I always thought that bresse gauloise were a good hen to cross with an indian game cockerel to produce meat.
One of the dogs grabbed her and she was roughed up a bit so had to put her in the pot.

I did hatch 2 so called Bresse a few weeks back and they were not pure,1 had yellow legs,black feathers around his neck + through the body 

Sticking to Indian game + sasso`s for now...and maybe a few crosses in between   :innocent:
3 cocks 1 hen going by head spot size but time will tell.

Did have 18 sasso chicks but my mate wanted something for hatching/rearing for me + was happy to take half the birds instead of money.

I can always put some more through my incubator once everything else is moved around  :innocent:

Sounds typical about the Marans mate.

You might hav to be quick for more Sasso eggs, I've a feeling I will be culling most if not all of last years birds soon.
I'm just waiting on this years stock to start laying really.

No worries for now mate,think i`ve got plenty on for now,keep forgetting i`ve got the ducks to rear if they hatch as well as the marans+ barnevelder chicks currently in the spare room.


Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on June 22, 2017, 06:47:32 pm
3 cocks 1 hen going by head spot size but time will tell.
I've not been able to sex many cuckoo marans by size of head spot, but it's much easier when the wing feathers develop by the width of the white barring, males being wider.
Can you feather sex indian game by development of tail and wing feathers?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 22, 2017, 08:22:15 pm
3 cocks 1 hen going by head spot size but time will tell.
I've not been able to sex many cuckoo marans by size of head spot, but it's much easier when the wing feathers develop by the width of the white barring, males being wider.
Can you feather sex indian game by development of tail and wing feathers?

Im only going by what I`ve read about sexing marans but im not bothered what they are to be honest,if I cant find them a home I can always fit one in the freezer..I havent got a clue about sexing Indian Game either mate..
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2017, 09:28:10 pm
We found some information that suggested that White Wyandotte on Light Sussex would give a fast-maturing, meaty bird.  Anyone tried it?

I think it's only the white Wyndotte that's still bred for DP.
Over s quality utility LS should make a very nice shaped carcass, never tried it but would be very interested to hear how you get on  :thumbsup:

Have you already got these breeds or look to bring something in for next year?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2017, 10:22:37 pm
3 cocks 1 hen going by head spot size but time will tell.
I've not been able to sex many cuckoo marans by size of head spot, but it's much easier when the wing feathers develop by the width of the white barring, males being wider.
Can you feather sex indian game by development of tail and wing feathers?

Im only going by what I`ve read about sexing marans but im not bothered what they are to be honest,if I cant find them a home I can always fit one in the freezer..I havent got a clue about sexing Indian Game either mate..

I think it's down to how light the Marans cockerel is, some are breeding the as lightly coloured as they can as it makes the light head spot more prominent.

As for IG I think you can Sex by wing feathers, it's not something I've done as like Charlie1234 I rear the excess for the table anyway or you also have no trouble homing them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 22, 2017, 10:36:46 pm
Here are a few of my Marans eggs eggs


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2072711/IMG_4315.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2072711/IMG_4315.JPG)

Looking for a cockerel to go with them
Not only from a dark egg but also bred big for Utility not just eggs or show.

Will probably just buy in some eggs and be ready to go next season.
What you think?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: SallyintNorth on June 23, 2017, 01:08:24 am
We found some information that suggested that White Wyandotte on Light Sussex would give a fast-maturing, meaty bird.  Anyone tried it?

I think it's only the white Wyndotte that's still bred for DP.
Over s quality utility LS should make a very nice shaped carcass, never tried it but would be very interested to hear how you get on  :thumbsup:

Have you already got these breeds or look to bring something in for next year?

Thanks, Dave.

No, we don't have them yet.  Just wondering how hard we should try to source a White Wyandotte cockerel - and given your answer, I think we might try quite hard :)

We also wondered about whether the cross on a Speckled Sussex might work... our local organic choox and eggs guru said this was the best-performing DP breed they tried, and we do like them very much. 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 23, 2017, 11:34:29 am
I have a number for a guy that breeds white wyandottes somewhere in one of my diaries,I will try and find it out
SallyintNorth  :thumbsup:


Steve: 07976 846462   Cheshire poultry,also a place in Northern Ireland called Clogher Valley eggs and poultry.

http://cloghervalleypoultry.com/index.php/pure-breeds/30-wyandotte (http://cloghervalleypoultry.com/index.php/pure-breeds/30-wyandotte)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 23, 2017, 08:45:41 pm
Sally, if you like them you go for it  :thumbsup: I only have experience with Wyndotte bantams that I use as Broodies, so not as meat birds.
Had LS and they were OK but a bit framey if you know what I mean, might have been able to improve them if I gave them more time.

With traditional breeds I think it's more about the strain rather than the breed, look for a breeder who breeds for DP and fattens his cockerels for the table.
Speckled Sussex will work just as well if the strain is right.
Either Wyndotte or Sussex should give you a half decent bird in there own right, I would choose your favourite and breed them for fast maturity and size, then have a few of the other hens to cross them with.

Always rear your crosses with a pure breed, then you can compare the difference between them and the standard bird and if it's worth it, like a control.

Will be a very nice project  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: SallyintNorth on June 24, 2017, 08:38:41 am
Thanks Charlie.  Lots of good pics on that link - very helpful.

And thanks for the advice, Dave.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 24, 2017, 01:58:48 pm
Thanks Charlie.  Lots of good pics on that link - very helpful.

And thanks for the advice, Dave.  :thumbsup:
No problem   :thumbsup:   I considered keeping the white wyandottes myself a couple of years ago hence having the details on file  ;)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 26, 2017, 01:39:01 am
Indian game are growing nicely + enjoying the extra space.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2639_zpsbvnnnmq5.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2639_zpsbvnnnmq5.jpg.html)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2638_zpstuxrjsu9.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2638_zpstuxrjsu9.jpg.html)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn1/darnjacq/IMGP2640_zpsc9j0xt05.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/darnjacq/media/IMGP2640_zpsc9j0xt05.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 26, 2017, 09:03:48 am
Looking good mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: docsal on June 26, 2017, 12:36:17 pm
Hello all
I posted a while back on a separate thread, worried about inconsistent incubator temps. Have had moderate success and have 7/10 at day 21 - 6 hatched last 24h. They are Ross/Cobbs. I very carefully chose these as have never slaughtered anything before and know that I can't humanely keep these going beyond a certain point, so will have no choice but to 'do the deed' for the birds' sake.
I've got plenty space so am keen to get started with the next batch soon, so they can go into the brooder pen as soon as these go outside.
What I'd really like is Sasso/improved Indian game or similar but can't find any current suppliers of hatching eggs...... Anyone here got any contacts?
 
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 26, 2017, 06:41:55 pm
Dave C would be the man for that  :thumbsup:

Cobbs are your general supermarket bird + designed to be culled at 6-8weeks old.

I went down the cobb path earlier this year and had 3-4kg birds at 8wks old.but they get too massive for their legs and spend most of the time sat infront the feeder or drinkers.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: docsal on June 27, 2017, 11:12:25 am
Yes, I realise the issue with weight but the necessity of the slaughter point was important for my first batch - anything with longevity might not make it to the freezer! Once this batch is done I will manage the next ones, so will go for a better bird.
In any case, they will be free-ranged and have a controlled diet to try and improve quality of meat and quality of life for the bird. Better than they would have had at the chicken farm anyway......

Dave C - do you sell hatching eggs?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 27, 2017, 09:35:44 pm
Not really  ;)
I don't sell in the post or anything but have supplied a few this season, either pick ups or met up with people around the north if I'm passing with work.

My IG have finished for the season now and I've mixed up the breeding pens, might be able to sort some Sasso but they are about ready to cull out so not sure what fertility would be like.

Where about are you ?

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 28, 2017, 12:46:11 pm
Had a visit from Mr fox early this morning  :rant:
was up at 6am and let the IG + speckledies out into their paddock,went in to make my coffee and was gone 5 mins tops.went out and I am now 1 less speckledy hen and of all the ones to kill and take it had to be my favourite one that I practically hand reared as she was a sickly weak chick to start.

At least she was taken to be eaten not just killed and left.

Lamp battery is fully charged,plenty of cartridges+bullets so I will be out later seeking revenge lol
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: SallyintNorth on June 28, 2017, 12:48:53 pm
 :rant:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 28, 2017, 03:17:24 pm
Good luck with that revenge.

I've shot 3 this year, few weeks later another moves in.

I'm looking for a good live trap but there quite pricey!!
At least then I can leave it set and not be running round at 5am in my pants trying to shoot them  :D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 28, 2017, 10:15:59 pm
spent a few hours in the paddock earlier today,cutting back the bushes,trees and reeds that could be used as cover by any foxes looking to return!

Sat in the car to take a phone call + about 15 mins later I spotted the  :rant: fox coming along my border fence and under the same bit of fence I found the feathers+fox fur on early this morning.

I am so glad I put the gun on the back seat ready for tonights stakeout  :thumbsup:

Lets say he wont be returning any time soon!!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 28, 2017, 10:31:43 pm
 :fc: :fc: :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on June 29, 2017, 05:47:41 pm
Im sure there will be others as we are super remote here and surrounded by forest on 3 sides and open farm land behind us but the 1 I spotted yesterday will defo not be returning  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on June 29, 2017, 06:36:32 pm
Well the sex linked Sasso x Cuckoo Marans cross isn't as straightforward as I hoped.

Batch 1, cockerels white, Pullets black...... Textbook.

Batch 2, culled whites, blacks with white spots on head have now turned barred and cockerels!

Batch 3, culled whites, 2 blacks are Pullets, 2 blacks with white faces are cockerels  ???

I guess the white head spot is like the Marans.
I'm not bothered as I find this interesting and they will be invited to lunch with the meat birds, but I dare say I've culled a few Pullets though which may have been white  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 01, 2017, 12:37:25 am
shame that mate but I guess we never know but we enjoy the results whatever sex or colour they are  :hungry:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 01, 2017, 10:34:53 am
Yes on the bright side anything crossed with these Sasso seem to make a good sized and shaped bird, so will see what 14 weeks brings  :yum:

My straight Sasso are 12 weeks now, haven't weighed them yet but by the feels of them they most cockerels will be ready in 2 weeks.

Will try to get some updated pics up.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 01, 2017, 12:07:07 pm
My mrs hasnt seen the IG chicks for a while as she is busy studying at the moment,she was shocked today how much they have grown,think I will be seperating them shortly as the boys are always sparring but not to the extent of the shamo`s + asils I have grown before.

Look forward to seeing how the sasso`s have grown  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 01, 2017, 05:36:46 pm
There 12 weeks now!
Haven't weighed them yet but they feel meaty enough.

This is the Slow growth x Medium growth Sasso's
Like the medium growth Sasso's they have bad movement and probably wouldn't make breeding age.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074178/IMG_4339.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074178/IMG_4339.JPG)

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074179/IMG_4340.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074179/IMG_4340.JPG)

One of The Sasso x Marans

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074180/IMG_4347.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074180/IMG_4347.JPG)

This is the most suitable slow growth Sasso Cockerel to keep for breeding next year

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074181/IMG_4390.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2074181/IMG_4390.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 01, 2017, 06:22:34 pm
The look really good!
My Barbezieux are 6 weeks old. Pretty sure they are 2 boys and 3 girls! That mean all will be left for breeding hopefully.
Also I got la bresse eggs from a fellow accidental smallholder forum lady who happens to live not far away from us! Big thanks to her! They are developing well and should hatch in about 10 days.
I'm thinking of keeping one Barbezieux cockerel with Barbezieux girls and the other one with lat bresse girls and rotate them every week or two.
Muscovy sitting on 14 eggs. Another two weeks wait  :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 02, 2017, 11:12:16 am
Birds are looking a good size Dave.
what age are these I.G. I had from you ? cant seem to find any notes anywhere of when I got them etc.

Sold 2 of the I.G. Cockerels to a chap in the next village yesterday he is looking to cross them with some of his birds.
He has plymouth rocks and Amrocks.
Not heard of the amrocks before so I will be visiting him shortly for a nosey around lol.
He reckons they look like P.R. but bigger + meatier.

Macgro:
glad the Barbezieux are doing well mate  :thumbsup:
what is the Muscovy sitting ? duck or hen eggs ?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 02, 2017, 01:37:11 pm
Muscovy is sitting on her own eggs
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 02, 2017, 03:04:03 pm
Nice one  :thumbsup:
Plenty of meat if you get surplus boys  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on July 02, 2017, 04:07:11 pm
My Barbezieux are 6 weeks old. Pretty sure they are 2 boys and 3 girls! That mean all will be left for breeding hopefully.
Also I got la bresse eggs from a fellow accidental smallholder forum lady who happens to live not far away from us! Big thanks to her! They are developing well and should hatch in about 10 days.
I'm thinking of keeping one Barbezieux cockerel with Barbezieux girls and the other one with lat bresse girls and rotate them every week or two.
There's a guy from Hereford who keeps both Barbezieu and Bresse and has been selling hatching eggs on ebay.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 02, 2017, 05:38:32 pm
My Barbezieux are 6 weeks old. Pretty sure they are 2 boys and 3 girls! That mean all will be left for breeding hopefully.
Also I got la bresse eggs from a fellow accidental smallholder forum lady who happens to live not far away from us! Big thanks to her! They are developing well and should hatch in about 10 days.
I'm thinking of keeping one Barbezieux cockerel with Barbezieux girls and the other one with lat bresse girls and rotate them every week or two.
There's a guy from Hereford who keeps both Barbezieu and Bresse and has been selling hatching eggs on ebay.
That's the lady I got them from
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 02, 2017, 07:38:39 pm
The look really good!
My Barbezieux are 6 weeks old. Pretty sure they are 2 boys and 3 girls! That mean all will be left for breeding hopefully.
Also I got la bresse eggs from a fellow accidental smallholder forum lady who happens to live not far away from us! Big thanks to her! They are developing well and should hatch in about 10 days.
I'm thinking of keeping one Barbezieux cockerel with Barbezieux girls and the other one with lat bresse girls and rotate them every week or two.
Muscovy sitting on 14 eggs. Another two weeks wait  :fc:

Sounds like a good plan  :thumbsup:
Whether you cull them or keep them for breeding it will be very interesting to see what weights they make and how quick, then compare the crosses next year.

Good luck with them mate  :fc: :fc: :fc:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 02, 2017, 07:43:10 pm
Birds are looking a good size Dave.
what age are these I.G. I had from you ? cant seem to find any notes anywhere of when I got them etc.

Sold 2 of the I.G. Cockerels to a chap in the next village yesterday he is looking to cross them with some of his birds.
He has plymouth rocks and Amrocks.
Not heard of the amrocks before so I will be visiting him shortly for a nosey around lol.
He reckons they look like P.R. but bigger + meatier.

Macgro:
glad the Barbezieux are doing well mate  :thumbsup:
what is the Muscovy sitting ? duck or hen eggs ?

The IG hatched 2.5.17 so 8 weeks old mate.

Them Amrocks are a big old bird if you can find them, used a lot in America.

Lad I know was breeding them last year and had a lot pinched  :rant:
They were for show ( which is a shame) nice looking bird.

I'm pleased with the Sasso's I bred, so far they are as good as the parents, looks like they do breed true and there also designed to be very closely related which they will need to be.

The only slight criticism I might have is they seem a little bit lazier than last years, they still quite good but last years were ranging right out in the field.
Will see what there like when I separate the breeders and limit there feed a bit.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 02, 2017, 08:37:38 pm
Cheers Dave  :thumbsup:

Few pics I took earlier today,a few blue boys here S.R. + the cuckoo marans + barnie chicks were out enjoying the sunshine. so far they are all similar sizes.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 02, 2017, 08:40:28 pm
few more
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 02, 2017, 08:44:07 pm
The blue I.G.pullet + black IG X maran pullet that I hatched a while back.
white cockerel is what was supposed to be a pure bresse he`s a big boy but i dont think pure bresse.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 03, 2017, 09:19:16 am
They all starting to get a nice shape to them mate  :thumbsup:

Yes, the la Bresse has a lack of Blue in his legs, shows a cross somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 03, 2017, 11:07:02 am
I have a feeling it has Light Sussex in it. got quite a bit of black feathering coming through. Iam sure it will taste nice though  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on July 03, 2017, 07:12:42 pm
Few pics I took earlier today,a few blue boys here S.R.
Very nice.
Personally I quite fancy the light blue cockerel.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 03, 2017, 07:47:46 pm
Think they have your name on them wynn  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 06, 2017, 03:04:45 pm
Im starting to think the barnie chick that hatched is not a barnie ??
the pictures i recently put on here show the barnie in a very gamey looking stance. I put them outside again earlier today and noticed the same chick has the characteristics/actions of game birds and the split down the breast as game birds do. Looking through my diary and it is possible its an I.G. as I placed 1 egg in the incy to make up the numbers (I dont like running an incy unless its full to capacity  :innocent: ) so maybe the barnie was the chick that died shortly after hatching.

Also the 3 maran cocks with large white spots are now looking like pullets so possibly 3 cuckoo maran pullets + 1 cockerel.
will post a few pics later.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 06, 2017, 03:26:08 pm
It's all exciting stuff mate.

I'm the same, any spare space and in goes a few IG eggs.

I have a broody with my last batch of Sasso x Marans.
There is 2 IG chicks in with them.

And if you've seen my other Broody post, if you look closely amongst the Wyndotte bantams there is 2 IG chicks amongst them.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 06, 2017, 08:07:30 pm
few pics of barnie/Indian game..+ the marans  :fc: 3 pullets + 1 cockerel
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 06, 2017, 08:12:07 pm
Had a busy day sorting this lot also:

Freezer is looking healthy for winter  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2017, 01:07:27 pm
Some real nice looking meat there mate  :thumbsup:

Bit of a result with the Marans
Nice little breeding group.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2017, 05:47:57 pm
Forgot to mention last week I found some utility Marans in Lancashire, nice big birds and dark eggs, so got some hatching eggs of the guy.

I've put the darkest 7 eggs in another  incy, I will mark these when they hatch and look to keep the biggest cockerel from them for next years breeding over my hens.

I've promised Mrs C this is definitely definitely the last batch  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 07, 2017, 07:17:03 pm
yeah right  ;)
I`ve done the same soooo many times my wife just laughs now  :thumbsup:

The Lamb tastes good,had a sample lastnight.

will have to change my signature now as I only have 1 ewe + this years surprise lamb. (Until september them im done with sheep)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 07, 2017, 07:38:39 pm
Are you Making room for another breeding group of chickens??? :excited:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 07, 2017, 08:31:30 pm
I could be mate  :thumbsup:

Chatting to the guy with the amrocks recently as I wanted to know how the 2 IG cockerels had settled and he has promised me a tour in the coming weeks + some eggs when im ready to incubate. so next season now  :innocent:

His wife is american and they came back with some eggs 4 years ago and has about 9 running around the place.
So I will be interested in seeing them as what I have read seems to be pretty good.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 09, 2017, 02:49:30 pm
Good luck with the cockerel snowyriver/wynn  :thumbsup:
Nice to meet up again + will be interesting to see how he develops  ;)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on July 09, 2017, 03:27:06 pm
Good luck with the cockerel snowyriver/wynn  :thumbsup:
Nice to meet up again + will be interesting to see how he develops  ;)
Thank you Darren, it's good to meet up with like minded people.
I'll keep you posted, but I'm quietly confident he will grow and fill out to be worth his weight in gold, and light blue with brown, you don't come across that every day, he should throw some nice birds out of my cuckoo marans pullets next spring.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 09, 2017, 09:49:36 pm
They should be sex linked  :thinking:
But don't ask me after my recent attempts  :roflanim:

I have a lovely blue cockerel who is full brother to yours 

Could be my main boy next year.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 10, 2017, 10:23:08 am
Some of this years Meat birds enjoying the sunshine.

It will be the last week for some of them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 10, 2017, 11:48:44 am
Nice looking birds dave  :thumbsup:
I havent seen mine for a while now so will be due a visit shortly,might even bring them home this week.

As we have  shared birds/eggs this season it will be interesting next year to see if the outcomes are similar.

I have been offered an asil from a mate down south and he is a monster..29" tall + 12.9Lb in weight so I was playing with the idea of crossing him with something but I dont need the hassle of him getting out + meeting the young IG Cockerels..would not end well

Also any opinions on putting a show quality IG back into the mix for more size but keeping the better legs of our birds ? I know of a guy with cannonball IG as he calls them so debating on buying 2 hens to run with 1 of my young cockerels.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 10, 2017, 02:35:08 pm
Would make an interesting experiment mate.

You could set up an extra pen, then compare the out cross chicks weights against the birds from me as a standard.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 10, 2017, 03:20:37 pm
Few better pics.
They will be 14 weeks this week.
Here are a few pics of this batch before there off to freezer camp.

I'm keeping all the Pullets again for next years breeding and laying.
The Slow Sasso Pullets have a salmon colour.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075763/IMG_4513.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075763/IMG_4513.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075765/IMG_4517.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075765/IMG_4517.JPG)

The Pullet in front is the only one showing the dwarf gene.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075766/IMG_4511.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075766/IMG_4511.JPG)

Slow x Intermediate Sasso red Pullet & Cockerel
Like last years the Intermediate Cockerels have bad movement.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075767/IMG_4518.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075767/IMG_4518.JPG)

Slow Sasso Cockerel
Nice bird but again his movement isn't as free as I like in a breeder.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075768/IMG_4535.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075768/IMG_4535.JPG)

Slow Sasso Cockerel
Finally the chosen one for next years breeding.

(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075769/IMG_4547.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2075769/IMG_4547.JPG)

I'm also trying to keep his dad going until next year as well.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 12, 2017, 03:02:31 pm
The chosen one looks good  Dave :thumbsup:
I have narrowed my keepers down to 3 so getting there slowly.
Spoken with the guy today RE: The show I.G. few pictures being sent to me later today/tomorrow then a trip out next week if Iam impressed. I will post the pics on here for all to have a look at before I commit.

Geese have now sold so a bit of spare room for the cuckoo marans to go once I get a small coop for them.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 12, 2017, 08:27:22 pm
My Bresse have hatched! It will be interesting comparing their growth to the Barbezieux.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 12, 2017, 10:38:23 pm
Yes very interesting mate.
What ages have you weighed the barbezieux?

How are they doing?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 15, 2017, 12:53:56 pm
Yes very interesting mate.
What ages have you weighed the barbezieux?

How are they doing?
I haven't actually weighed them yet.
Already notice differences between bresse and Barbezieux. Black ones were a lot more flighty in the brooder. Difficult to grab as very fast. White ones seem to be more tame.

Muscovies hatched! 13 ducklings out of 14 eggs! Really good results! Mixture of White, black and white and blue and white
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 15, 2017, 03:25:20 pm


Muscovies hatched! 13 ducklings out of 14 eggs! Really good results! Mixture of White, black and white and blue and white
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Nice one mate  :thumbsup:
Plenty of lunches if you`ve got a few drakes.

Mine never hatched,part grew in egg + died. never had any temperature or humidity problems.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 15, 2017, 03:59:34 pm
Good hatch macgro7  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 15, 2017, 04:22:24 pm
Yup. I told you they are much more difficult to hatch in the incubator. My ones hatch under muscovy broody. She used to leave them for couple of hours go to eat swim etc. When she started sitting there were 9 eggs and she ended up laying 14!
Muscovies are really weird lol
But they taste nice!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 15, 2017, 07:51:41 pm
Look at these little Tanks that have just hatched.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 16, 2017, 09:45:27 pm
They are some chunky chicks arent they.
The pictures I have of the trio iam getting are not very good so I will put some on once I collect them Tuesday. :excited:
Bloke phoned and told me he has some drinkers,feeders,grit,feed etc I can take.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on July 17, 2017, 11:59:30 pm
Look at these little Tanks that have just hatched.
The ones I hatched from the same eggs were also big and strong at day old, but now at 7 months old it's all frame and absolutely no meat, which isn't what I expected. I kept the heaviest cockerel at 3 months old and dispatched the rest as I couldn't see them being much good for meat yield. Maybe by now he would have a different stock cockerel in with the breeding group.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 18, 2017, 08:07:45 pm
Yes I can imagine them being a bit disappointing but that's most duel purpose breeds, I got them mainly for the eggs but his stock did look nice chunky birds.
The hens I have are a good size with decent breast meat so I will try to improve them over a few years and see what I can do, I'll be taking mine at about 5 months so hopefully they won't eat me out of house & home, but I do find the Marans very tasty.

I'm not too bothered really as I have my Sasso and IG for meat birds and the Sasso x Marans are proving worth while.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 18, 2017, 08:49:44 pm
Picked up the new I.G. trio this afternoon.
Nice big birds,really wide..currently in quarantine for a few weeks. The cockerel has been a bit over amorous so the girls have a few feathers missing.
Will try to get some of my pics on shortly but my camera charger has been chewed by our samoyed bitch.

so here are a few the seller sent me.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 18, 2017, 08:50:34 pm
 2 more
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 18, 2017, 10:09:39 pm
They look like cannon balls  :thumbsup:

Interesting to see how you get on with them mate.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 18, 2017, 11:11:40 pm
I have never seen IG like these mate. I have just been up the stables checking the chicks over for lice,mites etc as they seem to have developed the feather pecking habit. None found by me or the mrs  :thumbsup:

Thought I would weigh the cannonballs while I was up there. cock weighs 3.93Kg..hens weigh 2.97Kg + 2.94Kg

Old money about 8.6lb for the cock + about 6 1/2 lb the hens.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 19, 2017, 05:52:01 pm
Nice weights pal  :thumbsup:

What age are they?

2 of my reserve cockerels last year were 3.8kg live weight at 28 weeks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 19, 2017, 07:25:02 pm
32 weeks old mate.
I did try to buy the Jubilee cock in the last picture,he is HUGE but sadly he has already been sold for a equally Huge price  :o
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 21, 2017, 10:00:05 am
I bet he looks very nice mate.
Some sell for very big bucks.

Is that a pure white hen in with them or is she Jubilee?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 21, 2017, 10:25:32 am
I'm processing the Sasso tomorrow, so should have some weights for you.
A week late but been working away.

I'm having second thoughts on my breeder cockerel, there's a big guy with white head who is very big but moves well for his size.
And there is the slightly smaller lad who I'm sure will be fit enough to make it to breed next year  :thinking:

I see me keeping them both  ::)
Even though I'm suppose to be cutting back a little  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 21, 2017, 11:39:50 am
I bet he looks very nice mate.
Some sell for very big bucks.

Is that a pure white hen in with them or is she Jubilee?
Not sure what she is mate,never saw her when I went there. Looks pure white to me though.
I got my ages mixed up in earlier post.

Cockerel is 32 weeks old both hens are a year old now.

Look forward to seeing what weights the sasso make as mine are still at my mates place.

Keep them both  :thumbsup:

I said I wouldnt hatch anymore eggs this year but I was asked for some day olds by a local woman so put 12 eggs in the small incubator.
They are Indian game x Speckldey and the results were quite good.
12/12 Fertile
so far 9 have hatched and Im hoping they are sex linked.
I have 5 yellow/orange + 4 black chicks.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 21, 2017, 12:57:53 pm
Thought you would say that  :roflanim:
Yes I will keep them both, it's nice to have a spare and the breeding g guy is exactly what I want to be putting on the table so I need to try to breed towards it.

As far as the sexed linked chicks mate, the genetic calculator I used said Cockerels yellow, Pullets black.
But I would cull on that basis as I found some blacks after 3 or 4 weeks were male and the black broke into Cuckoo.

Interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 21, 2017, 01:10:14 pm
I dont think she is bothered what they are as long as she has some birds in the garden as company,Her husband passed a few months ago and i think she just wants some company/something to keep her occupied.

Now have 10/10  :thumbsup:

I sold quite a few of these eggs via ebay and got some good feedback + many return customers.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 21, 2017, 02:30:27 pm
Good on ya mate  :thumbsup:

And I'm sure you could collect any excess cockerels for her  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 21, 2017, 11:01:55 pm
I have offered to find  lovely homes for them  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 21, 2017, 11:33:05 pm
You like them so much your going to invite them to lunch  :yum:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 22, 2017, 11:39:19 am
Exactly  ;)

I`ve only got a few I.G. Cocks left now as they seem to sell well around mid-wales.

The guy with the sasso`s is having 2.. I.G. Cocks so he can cross them with his sasso hens. Im in need of a few more sheds I think as i`ve expanded without realising  :innocent:

Where do all of these birds come from ?? lol

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 23, 2017, 06:06:24 pm
I know exactly what you mean  :innocent: ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 23, 2017, 06:19:16 pm
Dispatched the cockerels yesterday, went ok not a job I enjoyed but its what I signed up for when I wanted better quality meat which has lived a free range life.

I'm very pleased with the second generation Sasso types, weights ranged from 2.2kg - 2.66kg dressed at 15 weeks old.
On par with last years bought in birds.

So 1 year on and I would say it was a worthwhile project.
Fingers crossed they continue to breed true.

The Sasso x Marans were a different shaped bird altogether.
Lowest dressed out at 1.7kg, largest at 1.96kg.
They would of been better in another month or so but for 15 weeks they had as much meat yield as a 24 week Sussex in my opinion.

So the verdict is still out on them.
What you all think?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 23, 2017, 10:06:32 pm
sassos made some good weights Dave  :thumbsup:

Im thinking that for proper meat birds in good healthy condition,ranging etc the sasso`s seem to be the business. ;)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 26, 2017, 11:29:54 am
Yes I'm really pleased with them mate, just hope the continue to breed true moving forward.

I think it's important to keep a pure strain going and share them with as many people who have the same interests as possible, I know there designed to be greatly inbred but slight out sourcing of blood lines will be needed in the future.

Next year the Sasso x IG will be making an appearance,
Now that will be very interesting  :thinking:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 27, 2017, 10:29:20 pm
My mate is looking to do the I.G. x Sasso next year + providing I still have my R.i.r. I will be doing IG  X RIR as these girls are  big now,I weighed one earlier and she was 3.2kg live weight and they are only 24/25 weeks old.
Breast doesnt feel skinny like a light sussex of the same age and thighs feel chunky. Not as quick growing as a sasso or cobb but im quite impressed with them as a pure breed.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 28, 2017, 01:32:00 pm
They are impressive mate, well worth holding on to them, do you have a cockerel?

The Sasso over them would also be good  :thumbsup: and the Pullets would be excellent layers and breeders.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 28, 2017, 08:08:20 pm
Another project

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 28, 2017, 10:54:36 pm
They are impressive mate, well worth holding on to them, do you have a cockerel?

The Sasso over them would also be good  :thumbsup: and the Pullets would be excellent layers and breeders.

No cockerel mate but Im sure the I.G. cross will keep me busy  :thumbsup:

Sold my cuckoo maran chicks earlier,a mate called around for an indian game cockerel and fancied the quartet so at the right £££ they went to a new home.

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 28, 2017, 11:26:32 pm
At the right price mate, everything is for sale  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 30, 2017, 05:03:37 pm
Bad news RE: The sasso`s + maran chicks + Jubilee Indian game my mate was growing.
Bloody fox got into their pen lastnight and killed the lot,managed to lift the pop hole from the outside and got into them.
Mate found them earlier this morning but then spotted the fox trapped inside the shed.. :innocent:  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 30, 2017, 07:33:25 pm
 :furious: :furious: :furious:

Think I would of dispatched it with my bare hands  :censored:

That's terrible mate.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on July 30, 2017, 11:45:55 pm
I still see the b****** every morning! It was digging around the portable chicks pen the other day. At 8.30 in the morning!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on July 31, 2017, 04:34:31 pm
:furious: :furious: :furious:

Think I would of dispatched it with my bare hands  :censored:

That's terrible mate.

Lets just say the fox was humanely dispatched..so he at least will not be returning. mate also reckons 3 white Jersey giants were killed during the frenzied attack.   Nearly 20 birds killed in total.... :rant:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on July 31, 2017, 06:35:54 pm
I've been there too many times

It make you feel totally sick  :gloomy:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 01, 2017, 11:52:25 am
Im considering purchasing a job lot of herras fencing ( as around building sites etc ) to run around my paddock and use them for building the breeding pen runs. Might offer a bit more protection for the birds than my current fencing as its higher + stronger.?

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 01, 2017, 12:45:16 pm
That's what we use on the shoot.
Can make very large pens in just an hour or so as they cable tie together very well.
We then run chicken wire round the bottom/onto the ground and a single strand of electric wire round.

Pity about the Sasso mate, what's that leave you with, meat wise?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: docsal on August 01, 2017, 01:12:27 pm
Dear all
I have posted before - raising my first meat birds (Cobbs - yes, I know.....  :-[).
I moved them outside at the weekend and they seem happy on the grass. How much should I feed them? I have them on organic Growers pellets - 16% protein. If I feed them ad lib, they just sit and eat. Am trying feeding them 3 times a day which certainly makes them more active - scratching and pecking around between meals. Instinctively, I feel this is healthier for them and encourages more activity. Happily the 2 who had splayed legs have recovered after a week of taping - not quite as agile as the others but happily weight-bearing and getting around OK.
How do you know how much to feed them??
Sally
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: docsal on August 01, 2017, 01:15:00 pm
PS Have 2 10 day old indian game chicks under brooder and 12 IG/6 Barbezieux eggs in incubator to follow on!! Hopefully a better, happier experience....
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: landroverroy on August 01, 2017, 01:42:22 pm
D'you think we could finish this subject and start afresh? :sunshine:


It's wandered a long way off the original topic.
I don't believe I'm the only person that isn't the least bit interested in whether you breed for meat or eggs but am interested in poultry and in many of the points that have been discussed under this heading. These varied subjects  I only spotted by accident because, as mentioned, the original topic bores me  :innocent: . So please  - can we start again  with relevant headings for the actual subject being discussed? :eyelashes:   
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dan on August 01, 2017, 04:44:53 pm
D'you think we could finish this subject and start afresh? :sunshine:


It's wandered a long way off the original topic.
I don't believe I'm the only person that isn't the least bit interested in whether you breed for meat or eggs but am interested in poultry and in many of the points that have been discussed under this heading. These varied subjects  I only spotted by accident because, as mentioned, the original topic bores me  :innocent: . So please  - can we start again  with relevant headings for the actual subject being discussed? :eyelashes:

This is a good idea - we try to be (very) light touch when it comes to moderation, but this topic has become a proxy for the entire P&W board on TAS lately. While some topic drift is inevitable on any forum, there's a point where it becomes unhelpful.

It really helps people searching for help, and those who have drifted off, when new topics are posted and focussed on a single subject.

So please continue discussions on here if they pertain to the original topic purpose, and start new topics if you're heading off on a tangent, have stock to sell, questions about fencing, etc etc.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 01, 2017, 06:09:01 pm
Yeah no problem Lads, we do drift a bit but it's just general crack, which a few of us like or it wouldn't be 62 pages long   ;D

Would be a shame to loose this thread as there is good information in it.

Will keep to topic or start new discussions  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 02, 2017, 12:32:05 pm
That's what we use on the shoot.
Can make very large pens in just an hour or so as they cable tie together very well.
We then run chicken wire round the bottom/onto the ground and a single strand of electric wire round.

Pity about the Sasso mate, what's that leave you with, meat wise?

I only have my IG,RIR and a couple of speckledy hens now mate but I will sort some sasso`s next season.
Those chicks i hatched recently are doing well but they look just like IG.So will be interesting to see what they turn out like.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 02, 2017, 02:09:10 pm
PS Have 2 10 day old indian game chicks under brooder and 12 IG/6 Barbezieux eggs in incubator to follow on!! Hopefully a better, happier experience....
Take care of the Barbezieux! Guy who imported them to America sells chicks for... $400 each (yes, FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 02, 2017, 07:25:29 pm
Wow, the Americans pay some crazy $$$ for there poultry.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 02, 2017, 07:39:25 pm
Dear all
I have posted before - raising my first meat birds (Cobbs - yes, I know.....  :-[).
I moved them outside at the weekend and they seem happy on the grass. How much should I feed them? I have them on organic Growers pellets - 16% protein. If I feed them ad lib, they just sit and eat. Am trying feeding them 3 times a day which certainly makes them more active - scratching and pecking around between meals. Instinctively, I feel this is healthier for them and encourages more activity. Happily the 2 who had splayed legs have recovered after a week of taping - not quite as agile as the others but happily weight-bearing and getting around OK.
How do you know how much to feed them??
Sally

I've had them twice (both times sent to me by accident)  :rant:
Are they free range or in a run?
You could try moving feed and water to opposite ends of run to encourage movement.
I only fed mine twice a day and took the feeders away after about 20 mins, the rest of the time the had to free rang (well kind of)  ::)

This is a feed conversation chart I found on the net, might be of help.
But remember the big producers don't mind if they just sit & eat so I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 02, 2017, 07:42:31 pm
PS Have 2 10 day old indian game chicks under brooder and 12 IG/6 Barbezieux eggs in incubator to follow on!! Hopefully a better, happier experience....

Good luck with them  :thumbsup:

There is a few of us on here that will be interested in knowing how they turn out  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 02, 2017, 08:01:10 pm
Wow, the Americans pay some crazy $$$ for there poultry.
Imagine if fox eats your $400...
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 02, 2017, 08:53:38 pm
Yeah and they have a lot more than foxes to worry about.

I.e. Big cats, Cyotes, hawks, Owls, Snakes and Ants are real bad.  :o
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 03, 2017, 09:35:06 am
Don't forget Bears!

Coming back to meat chickens - I want to order some chicks this month (before it gets too cold).

Not sure whether to order the colourful sasso I had last year from Piggots or red rangers from the s&t.

I want to try some of the naked neck boilers they have, although they look hideous they are meant to be much easier to pluck.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2017, 01:31:08 pm
I'm not sure if S&T are still going mate.

I've had eggs /chicks from them for years and this year I was after some game birds and had no reply.
Also others from another forum have contacted them without success.

I think the Naked Neck is in the make up of the Sasso, the Intermediate growth x431A I got about 4 years ago had a few chicks with parcally naked necks.

I must admit there not for me but each to there own  ;D
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 03, 2017, 02:04:15 pm
Right...
I'll try ringing them.
Naked necks are ugly lol but I never had them.
Was so do naked necks so it's probably theirs.
Do you know any other suppliers of meat bird chicks in the UK? I can't find anyone else! Except for massive broiler units that will only sell thousands
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 03, 2017, 04:17:22 pm
I rang them. He said they still supply meat chicks. 86p a piece plus delivery.
I'm gonna order from them then  :excited:
He said to email him which breeds I'm interested in, how many etc.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2017, 07:58:46 pm
Well done mate  :thumbsup:
Wonder why they not getting back to folk then  :thinking:

I've always found Steve a good guy to deal with, the Farm Rangers are the Sasso Intermediate X431A and the Poulet Galouise are the Sasso T551 (which are very good DP and breed true).

Let us know what you go for mate.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: macgro7 on August 03, 2017, 08:02:22 pm
Maybe they have some issues with website e-mail receiving etc
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 03, 2017, 10:26:23 pm
Well I'm pleased there still going strong.

There a nice couple and sell some good stock  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 05, 2017, 12:26:27 pm
Out with the camera before the rain came and took a few update pics.

Black hen is the I.G x Maran that I had in with some bought in I.G. Eggs..blue hen is her I.G. sister

Cannonball Hens are now regrowing their feathers. Last pic shows her width of back.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 05, 2017, 12:27:10 pm
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Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 05, 2017, 09:12:04 pm
Nice shape to them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 06, 2017, 12:53:05 am
Cheers Dave  :thumbsup:
The trio I bought last are out of quarantine now and I have mixed the hens with the other birds and my old cockerel and the new cockerel is now running with the r.i.r. + speckledy hens,thought i`d give him a change of hen  ;)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 08, 2017, 09:03:47 pm
Took these last week when the sun was out.
Faces are starting to reden at 17 weeks, there mothers started laying at 18 weeks last year, so fingers crossed for some eggs soon.


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081090/IMG_4745.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081090/IMG_4745.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081091/IMG_4749.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081091/IMG_4749.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081092/IMG_4759.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081092/IMG_4759.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 08, 2017, 09:12:08 pm
Some IG at 7 weeks

Sold a lot this year but these are keepers
Like there shape


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081093/IMG_4801.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081093/IMG_4801.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081094/IMG_4778.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081094/IMG_4778.JPG)


(http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081095/IMG_4767.JPG) (http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/2081095/IMG_4767.JPG)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 08, 2017, 10:18:11 pm
Sasso`s are looking nice mate  :thumbsup:

IG are looking strong ans shaping up nicely.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 09, 2017, 07:22:19 pm
Finally collected my R.I.R. Cockerel and he is a nice fella,easy to handle and easy on the hens,also I have 3 reserve Young I.G. cockerels in with them and not a sign of aggression.
Should make for some interesting breeding next year + plenty of meat from the surplus cockerels. ;)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 09, 2017, 07:31:21 pm
Also the IG X Speckledy chicks I hatched for a local woman that was recently widowed has asked me to have them back as they are harder work than she had imagined  :thinking:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 09, 2017, 07:48:56 pm
Last pictures I promise  :)

I have my mixed group of I.G. for next years breeding,older hens,show stock hens,young ones courtesy of Mr Dave.C  :thumbsup: and a few I hatched earlier this year..My old cockerel + my chosen young blue cockerel..I do have 3 reserves tucked away also  :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 09, 2017, 08:45:37 pm
Firstly mate, I do like that RIR cockerel  :thumbsup:
I'm no expert in them but he's a Lovely shape & size and very nice dark colour.

The IG x Speckledy will be very interesting.

And that looks a cracking IG breeding pen you have, good mixture of ages and blood lines.
Looking forward to seeing the results next year  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 09, 2017, 10:16:02 pm
Firstly mate, I do like that RIR cockerel  :thumbsup:
I'm no expert in them but he's a Lovely shape & size and very nice dark colour.

I saw quite a few for sale but they were defo not rir they were more like warrens,he came from a local pet shop owner that has bred rir for many years. I will be having some hatching eggs off him next season  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 14, 2017, 01:14:28 pm
Lost my Project Sasso Cockerel I kept back this morning.
Think it was his heart, last few days his comb turned very pale.

Pleased I kept that back up now.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 14, 2017, 06:25:49 pm
Fox came yesterday evening and took 6 young IG pullets and 1 reserve IG cockerel  :rant:
Farmer down the road said today a strange van was seen in the area with both rear doors open and what looked like 3 foxes being released by the time the person that saw the van had turned around they were gone.

Now have the remaining birds in the stable for a while,off with the rifle+ lamp later

Lost my Project Sasso Cockerel I kept back this morning.
Think it was his heart, last few days his comb turned very pale.

Pleased I kept that back up now.

sorry to hear that mate,always to keep a few extras I think.. thats my excuse anyway   :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: landroverroy on August 14, 2017, 10:04:55 pm
Guess that's 7 that definitely were bred for meat then. :thinking: :bouquet:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 14, 2017, 10:28:42 pm
Just a shame it wasnt feeding me not the fox.

Turns out quite a few people have seen the same van driving around the area recently dumping off foxes but no one thought to get a number plate etc.???
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 15, 2017, 08:36:18 am
We've had the same trouble with people releasing them near our shoot, fat tame foxes are easy to lamp, but it's the trouble they cause in the mean time.

Gutted for you about the IG mate  :gloomy:

How many Pullets you left with now?
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 15, 2017, 06:50:31 pm
We've had the same trouble with people releasing them near our shoot, fat tame foxes are easy to lamp, but it's the trouble they cause in the mean time.

Gutted for you about the IG mate  :gloomy:

How many Pullets you left with now?

Had a look around lastnight but no sign so using local farmers quad bike to venture a bit further out later + his 2 boys are on the look out with me as they have had problems with fox around their big chicken sheds.

I have no pullets from your lot Dave,just a few old hens and couple I hatched from elsewhere..I have been considering calling it a day for a while as its set me back to square one again but I have been told of a guy in Gloucester that has 4 17 week old pullets for sale and I am going to see family down there on Friday so might have a look at them while in the area. :innocent:

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 15, 2017, 09:09:32 pm
Sad times mate  :gloomy:

Let me know if I can help you out.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 15, 2017, 09:44:37 pm
Cheers Dave  :thumbsup: appreciate it.

Apparently there is a lead on these Idiots letting foxes loose around here as the local farmers sister is a copper so fingers crossed they do something.

spoke to the guy in Gloucester earlier and birds sound good,he`s old school so does not use the internet so will have to wait til friday to see them  ::)

Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 16, 2017, 03:19:19 pm
Sorry to hear of your fox problem Darren, I think Heras fencing is your answer up in the woods there, they have so much cover to hide under until they see their chance.  :fc: you find the culprits.

If you are looking for some indian game growers, I have some on Preloved at the moment. Hatched 18th June and believed to be a cockerel and 3 pullets, three very well shaped and one lighter coloured with less shape, hatched from eggs I bought off Sue (tractorchick62) on ebay.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 16, 2017, 06:39:22 pm
Hi wynn,I am looking into some of that 5 foot Electric fencing and I can run it from my solar and/or my turbine.
Im visiting my old man on friday and gonna have a look at some I.G. in Gloucester so only a 20 mins drive from parents place.
Will have a look on preloved just now and maybe message you later.

https://www.agrisellex.co.uk/tall-electric-poultry-netting.html (https://www.agrisellex.co.uk/tall-electric-poultry-netting.html)
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: snowyriver on August 16, 2017, 07:36:32 pm
Will have a look on preloved just now and maybe message you later.

OK, no problem. If they are what you want I could meet you as I'm passing your turning sometime in the next few days. Let me know.
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 18, 2017, 11:28:41 am
Just bought 3 pullets from gloucester guy
Hope the new fencig arrives later today  :tired:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: landroverroy on August 18, 2017, 10:35:09 pm
Are they for meat or eggs then?  :eyelashes:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Dave C on August 19, 2017, 09:52:37 am
Well with them being Indian Game Roy...... Meat. 


Looking forward to the pictures mate :innocent:
Title: Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
Post by: Charlie1234 on August 20, 2017, 03:59:58 pm
Are they for meat or eggs then?  :eyelashes:

Hoping for a bit of each if they last long enough with no predators getting to them..New 5ft Leccy fence due monday/tuesday so I`ll be keeping them in til it comes and I can hook solar panel/turbine  to it.