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Livestock => Goats => Topic started by: Jules45_569 on September 30, 2012, 02:20:43 pm
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Has anyone got a trailer I can hire I need to pick up 2 pigmy goats. I live near bath
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What do you drive? I know you're not supposed to but two pygmy goats would go in the back of a large estate/4x4 as long as you could make it 'cleanoutable'.
Mine has a liner tray with 3" sides, so I put down blankets that can go straight in the wash if necessary, the tray comes out and can be swilled down, so I carry one and two goats like this rather than have them rattling around in a trailer. Wouldn't do it to a proper sale, but between private houses.
I'm probably less likely to be stopped up here - depends how good you are at blagging, should someone query it ;)
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Hi where are you picking them from and when and how long do you need the trailer for.
ours is used to move GG's about.
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What do you drive? I know you're not supposed to...
Wait, if they are pet goats the transport laws don't apply other than filling the AML forms, no?
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even if they are to be pets - they have to be registered and if filling in a AL1 you are abiding by transport laws (type of vehicle and reg number etc)
that is why you need a holding number and herd Number
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You have to do all the paperwork but I think you could take them in a vehicle rather than a trailer.
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even if they are to be pets - they have to be registered and if filling in a AL1 you are abiding by transport laws (type of vehicle and reg number etc)
that is why you need a holding number and herd Number
Yes of course the AML1 forms, but a van is fine, I am pretty sure, if they are pets.
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Goats count as livestock, even when they're pets. And you have to be able to clean and disinfect your vehicle before and after transport. But also, the area must be not too small and not too big, so they don't get thrown about. So a trailer with no divisions or anything, would not be suitable for two Pygmy goats. Whereas the back of a vehicle that could be cleaned and disinfected, mighh well be.
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If I ever have to have the goats looked at by the vet, I take them in the back of the peugeot (206 estate). Got s few funny comments from lads coming out of the pub!
I straw it down on top of the rubber matting and give it a good clean and disinfect after, my husband sits in the back seat talking to them while I drive!
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So do I, just being a bit careful about advising others to do so ;)
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Here: http://www.defra.gov.uk/food-farm/animals/welfare/transport/ (http://www.defra.gov.uk/food-farm/animals/welfare/transport/)
Council Regulation (EC) No. 1/2005 on the protection of animals during transport and related operations applies to all those involved with the transport of live vertebrate animals in connection with an economic activity i.e. a business or trade. This includes amongst others:
livestock and equine hauliers;
farmers; and
commercial pet breeders.
The Regulation also applies to those working at:
markets;
assembly centres; and
slaughterhouses.
The Regulation does not apply to the transport of animals where this is not in connection with economy activity. These journeys can be broadly described as those which are:
not in the course of business or trade not for hire or reward.
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Yea, that's the best argument here - that the animals aren't to do with an economic activity.
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Like I said, there are no specific requirement to clean, disinfect or anything else, if your animals are pets and you are moving your pets safely, even a car boot is fine. It is all down to your own good judgement..
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I am sure I have seen Adam Henson putting livestock in the back of his truck at some time or other! Most farmers transport sheep in back of their landrover.
If you have a dog crate I can't see why you shouldn't use that. It is cleanable as has a removable tray. Even if some dirt gets on upholstery this can be cleaned and disinfected.
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Like I said, there are no specific requirement to clean, disinfect or anything else, if your animals are pets and you are moving your pets safely, even a car boot is fine. It is all down to your own good judgement..
Unfortunately, DEFRA and SGRPID consider goats to be livestock, not pets. Pets can be buried in your garden, goats can't.
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/biosecurity/candd.htm (http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/biosecurity/candd.htm)
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1724/article/3/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1724/article/3/made)
Now, it doesn't say anywhere that you can't transport livestock in cars. But- they must be able to be disinfected. So, if you transport in a car, you must have a way of disinfecting that you are comfortable with.
We transport our goats regularly in a transit van.
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Has anyone got a trailer I can hire I need to pick up 2 pigmy goats. I live near bath
I think it's a no about the trailer jules
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Like I said, there are no specific requirement to clean, disinfect or anything else, if your animals are pets and you are moving your pets safely, even a car boot is fine. It is all down to your own good judgement..
Unfortunately, DEFRA and SGRPID consider goats to be livestock, not pets. Pets can be buried in your garden, goats can't.
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/biosecurity/candd.htm (http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/biosecurity/candd.htm)
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1724/article/3/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1724/article/3/made)
The point I was making with animals being pets is that, pets are not likely to moved around for commerce and so the vast majority of movement laws do not apply as per the EC 2005 regulation. But I stand corrected on the disinfection issue.
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Like I said, there are no specific requirement to clean, disinfect or anything else, if your animals are pets and you are moving your pets safely, even a car boot is fine. It is all down to your own good judgement..
Unfortunately, DEFRA and SGRPID consider goats to be livestock, not pets. Pets can be buried in your garden, goats can't.
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/biosecurity/candd.htm (http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/biosecurity/candd.htm)
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1724/article/3/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1724/article/3/made)
The point I was making with animals being pets is that, pets are not likely to moved around for commerce and so the vast majority of movement laws do not apply as per the EC 2005 regulation. But I stand corrected on the disinfection issue.
I know, and I consider my goats to be my pets as well. But the powers that be don't think they are pets. They think they are farm animals.
Beth
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I take it that you have moved your goats - The trailer was here for you to use if you had let us know when and where you wanted it.
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I use a transit connect van, there is mesh across behind the seats.
I like to be able to see them and know they are traveling OK.
I have to admit, never thought about disinfecting it, but it's only used for them or animal feed now.